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-- -- -- Okay what ADP report in private sector -- 158000.
Jobs in October and tomorrow the government releases its laughed employment report before the election.
Time -- debate this and today we debate lady.
-- McManus president of Miller and long DC construction and -- behind is that kind of protein and author of state of the -- thanks for being with us gentlemen.
-- -- let's take a look at it autos steel construction.
Unions dominate these industries and all of these industries have had real financial problems are unions part of the problem or the solution fell.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The part of the problem I think it's just like management.
Unions are an integral part of our industrial relations system.
And as such they can best perform that function where and when they're strong enough to represent their members to okay.
And yet yet Brett you know unions represented I think it's only 7% of the private economy and 40%.
Union representation in government jobs is not a problem.
It is because of the bases in nature of of -- -- we bargaining for at least on the public sector side -- there is correct one thing.
You said earlier unions -- construction actually is a there's an old.
Notion 85% almost 86% of all.
Construction workers and -- in the United States.
But there that the problem is -- you know who are they bargaining for and against this sort of like FDR sort of long time ago the notion of public employee unions was.
Sort of anathema to their entire concept of reverend.
You know -- in general.
Okay they -- public.
Why don't we have more union representation in this country in the private sector isn't a matter of vote employers gets really mean we're gonna matter that unions aren't offering things that we workers walked.
That I think it's a variety of factors one is economic transformation.
In the way we we work here it's also our trade deals that encourage the exporting of jobs building building stuff overseas.
And it's also some mistakes units of meg not really showing workers in the public -- the relevant but it is also what you just said it's also.
As a -- lover and find labor law that makes it very complicated form union and finally.
It is indeed employer aggressiveness is a multibillion dollar industry.
Called -- union avoidance in this country.
Would that teaches employers how to avoid.
Having -- -- workers -- get the chance of all right union in the work.
What is okay and yet Brett if unions were so great then why do they insist on a close shop in most of the states where they operate they don't like this right to work state and -- -- job creation better.
In states why don't how.
Have to belong to a union to get a job.
It is it and there's there's.
-- Amiss use of terms -- thereabouts collective bargaining collective bargaining rights.
Retirement two different things employees.
Only under our labor -- have the right to choose an exclusive bargaining agent.
-- -- get to create a monopoly and that's what unions are trying to protect.
-- you know other forms of collective action under law.
Or -- illegal in the United States for employees because that's the way the law was.
Written and that's the way you know trying to keep it in fact what's happened in in right -- -- states over the last decade or so what we've seen is actually a net if you think it net on net 2.4 percent.
Increase in jobs in the right to work states and a minus 3.4 percent deep deep freeze.
And jobs in non right to work states -- net on net it's almost 6%.
Differential there earned the right word is certainly a part of it all right and before we have to wrap -- but it was a very nice and civil debate thank you very much Brent McMahon and fill.
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