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Every year working Americans put more money into little why -- it -- Poverty as -- Poverty is winning.
That's what I hear and I told government therefore must give poor people more he'll give us more jobs more opportunity -- -- -- it.
Government should just create jobs create jobs you create more jobs more food stamp wolf we'll Moore well are there more but there are other right the if we had as simply as much confidence freedom is Denmark and of countries around the world that would be almost -- poverty and almost no war after the welfare state.
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Is not rich country it seems wrong that when there's so much wealth around at some Americans are still so poor.
Cape government do something about that.
Yes we -- said Lyndon Johnson forty years ago.
All it required was taking a little more money from rich people and putting -- into programs like welfare and job training.
I believed I was in college sent us these students are today.
And my professors told me that the experts in Washington had found the solution to poverty.
I believe but then I became a reporter and I watch the war on poverty work.
Or not work.
I watched as it created a poverty industry.
-- -- victims and bureaucrats who specialize in sucking money out of Washington DC to give to them.
And to themselves.
But over the years most poor people stayed -- they're still pool.
How can that be -- we spent so much on poverty programs this year who's been one true.
-- -- -- -- -- -- That video was made by the Republican Study Committee -- group of congressmen who were worried about government spending.
The committee's chairman is congressman Jim Jordan.
So what are you wanna you wanna just cut poor people off now we lab we wanna help them get to a better life what you need to do.
Is create programs that actually help people get to a better life helped them get this again I've -- there before how are you gonna do it.
Well you do -- by not by not waving a work requirement like this administration did.
You've you you've got to be fair they haven't -- -- -- the work requirement that lift some states it's -- in the docile and some states not have a work requirement and there's you know when I'm even gonna require that one key element.
That helps people get to the American dream experiences -- is can actually get a job and rotating growing get you get to a better lifestyle that's what wanna see how.
Exactly that key ingredient to accomplish anything of meaning and significance that we all learned but how that was already in the original welfare reform act you have a new welfare reform.
Yeah updated Hirsch well we're trying to actually get a handle on all -- all the social welfare -- the federal government does it's now estimates are about 600 million dollars a year when you factor in Medicaid and the seventy plus different programs that are out there.
When I guess in the original act just was welfare.
Yeah didn't hit the other seventy some program yet there's so -- nutrition programs job training programs education programs health care program.
What makes sense maybe just to have 41 -- -- -- didn't did they let this have to make everybody work to be a large of course we're actually want to win a bill introduced just -- two weeks ago.
Where we said for food stamps was put in a -- component for food stamps.
Let's again let's establish that critical link that helps Americans who get to their goals -- dreams let's have a work -- what about the truly helpless for the mother with six kids how she gonna work and take care for kids we're certainly going to be willing to help those individuals who truly need.
But the best way to help those who can work is to get them the skills they need to do require that -- it's like anything else in life when you have a requirement when you have a deadline.
It influences behavior and actually help people get to a better.
Better experience and better lifestyle.
Well I certainly agree with you but according to some politicians when more people get food stamps and one in seven Americans now gets them.
That's actually good for the -- -- If you want to create jobs if -- quickest way to do it.
Provide more funding for food stamps.
Create jobs by you with food stamps and more money he'll be out there they'll spread it around and that'll make your I mean.
It would be laughable the wasn't so serious and here's -- lady was former speaker of the United States house represented as making that statement I mean it's wrong on two counts -- -- taken money from someone else you're taking -- from.
Taken -- re distributing given just to -- it to someone else that's always upon people's government acting as a middleman in government deciding how it's allocated.
And then second is -- just the facts.
It as a work have settle on a big government spending big government regulation that -- -- how this economic mess well for goodness sake we have been on a little long time ago because that's all the government's done for four -- so.
We've got that -- you're taken from wandering even into another which is always problematic and then the simple fact is it hasn't worked.
Another attack on you not you personally Republicans the National Journal.
-- this is the Democrats say this conservative attack on the social welfare programs is being waged for the very wealthy.
Now congressman Richard Neal from Massachusetts my god can we do anymore to help the wealthy that are Republicans friends and they don't you know it -- always -- -- think it out.
In your own personal for anyone your audience.
Think about those occasions where you actually accomplished something new meaning and significance -- column.
Moments of real magnitude where you had a goal or dreaming you worked hard you made it happen what we're -- an unfortunate to so many people who are now dependent on government in this culture we're creating.
Is were robbing them of of that experience which essential to being an American congressman Neil is just wrong he's the one trapping people into this cultural.
Culture of dependence on the government.
And robbing them of that critical experience.
That we've all had and we know -- made us a better individual made us a better neighbor -- made us a better.
Husband father whatever made us a better American better citizen that's what we're -- people up when we keep given and given people things and not requiring.
Those key skills and traits and character qualities that are necessary to happen to accomplish.
I fear that President Clinton and reluctantly signed perhaps.
People so there would be people starving in the streets that didn't happen.
Half the people got off the rules and the poverty rate went down -- -- They they were happy you're exactly right -- the first thing ever got -- -- was Joseph wrestling coach got elected to the house represented in Ohio in ninety looked like arrests happened.
I'm about to get a bad that I was around here so so anyway that the first day got -- was an amendment to the welfare reform bill we -- the state of Ohio.
Which required time -- to set -- certain point in time if you're able bodied adult we will no longer pay you for not working.
And guess what happened next start -- got kicked off things were not not not not at all no one got kicked off because deadlines influence behavior and they saw the deadline come listen you know what.
I'm gonna find a job -- -- the -- get the skills to get a job so I don't have to face that deadline and get kicked off of any type of public health public assistance.
It worked and you know what those people have move onto a better -- -- committee made that.
Video which makes reference to the welfare reform and -- your new version of -- let's play that clip.
Two point seven million of them successfully moved the ball we're.
-- We can do it again -- don't get Americans out apartment.
Save the country from -- -- -- -- -- What what's with the video there that should pick -- that I'm not sure we have Chris and good -- We got some great young conservative staffers at -- -- like like focusing your audience tonight and libertarian well things don't sound pretty much.
The difference a lot of similar now the welfare system is so complicated government can't keep track of the month.
Remember a court.
They used to get millions -- tax dollars in that video of them doing things like helping a pretend -- hide from the law.
Let the congress killing their funding so acorns -- Except that they're not gone they just change shape says -- Epstein of the taxpayer watchdog group cause of action.
So when you -- Well my organization has had been looking an acorn and it's -- and affiliates over the past year we've seen.
That there are now a 174.
Groups out there.
At least some of which including the mutual housing association of New York here in New York City.
Are getting taxpayer dollars and yet we don't know what they're actually doing that money -- it's not acorn and these are new groups not the same thing.
These are groups that have the same directors.
Have the same tax ID numbers the same employer identification numbers in many cases the same employees.
There's -- congress cuts them off they just change the name I can tell you that when I.
Worked at the house oversight committee is an investigator.
We went to you -- AA inspector general's office and an auditor.
Told the committee staff when we found direct evidence of acorn housing misusing federal grant money.
The auditor said that lucky.
It's ten million dollars it's a ten million dollar grant when you're dealing with that little amount of money we don't actually conduct an -- So that's.
But -- -- so what if it's the same people -- that word all try and it says help the fake pimp break the law.
These organizations really are about politics and that's why it's special concern if they're getting our tax dollars to engage in politics.
You know they're not decreasing.
The role of government they're not increasing social welfare they're putting an additional burden.
On all of us Americans because you just think about things like the community reinvestment act you're talking about the Clinton administration now something's that acorn housing pushed for.
They lobbied in front of Bank of America.
-- then Nationsbank in order to get these guarantees and now we see is bank of America foundation gives millions of dollars these acorn groups.
You know in order to get them on their side I mean this is.
Cronies -- them off their back that's right this is this is cronyism in an acorn then uses those grants to say -- you know hide neighbor works all these new government programs that came out of the Clinton administration.
Give us money to.
Thank you Dan Epstein thanks congressman.
Stick around the audience would like to question you but coming up -- talk to the guy in charge of welfare in -- -- Text stuff.
This shows support for limited government -- reason that many in government appear on this program so I was surprised to get this ceemea.
I have admired your reporting anything ever want to talk to someone with experience.
Running government social service programs I would be happy to.
-- came from the boss of a big piece of the welfare state the New York City human resources administration.
The HRA employs 151000.
People who give benefits to my neighbors food stamps home care.
Top senators and so on commissioner Robert door runs the office so welcome commissioner -- appreciate you coming on my thanks for having me.
So I admire you for trying but just enough my assumption is that -- bring your -- you're.
Bureaucracy teaches people.
Well that's wrong because we have a work requirement -- welfare program.
And I -- when welfare reform passed with the welfare for caseload in New York City was one point one million and now on the -- Bloomberg it's a 360000.
We enforce the work requirement aggressively he put people to work in all kinds of work experience type activity in workfare we've continued to do that we do that for single individuals on food stamps as well.
So we have a work requirement and we stress it every day and in most audiences where -- go around the city of York.
There are lots of people come -- tell me that I shouldn't do that but we still do the eager to talk.
That's what I get.
You got 151000.
Employees I assume they want to help people only -- the jobs but ten years then there's civil service.
They're just going through the motions he can't fire the bad ones right we have something called jobs that we call our senator actors -- a monthly basis and asked them how they doing getting people to work.
We set a goal 85000 last year.
We did it last year were on asks court to do with this year placements meaning getting get a job get a job getting employment now.
It doesn't work for every individual not everybody steps up and we do have programs -- assist people.
While they're moving toward appointment but in cash welfare we stress work and we require work.
And of your 151000 employees can you fire bad once lazy once without going through unbelievable who don't even try.
Well as civil service rules in New York are difficult to -- you have people that aren't.
To exactly what you want I would acknowledge that but by and large HR -- -- to -- good job and they believe one thing you'll find in welfare policies -- programs John.
Is the most conservative people on welfare are the caseworkers who see the welfare recipients every day because they go to work.
They're showing up every day and they expect the same for people asked for -- all right as I said I suspect your programs teach dependency encourages its now and then I go to your senators and I interview people.
No jobs around.
Have you looked hurt job.
I can't -- right now because -- -- disability is that it left it there are no jobs.
No jobs here that again and again then my researchers walked around within a couple blocks and found forty businesses hiring.
That a few blocks -- -- job senator 24 offered jobs for beginners.
But they said the people -- handouts don't bother to apply.
So I wondered as I said what your employees really deal with the job senator I ask a college interns so well now -- bound to go there and asked thumb.
For -- -- we'll tell what you did.
Her so I went to add jobs and -- downtown in New York City and I said -- and college intern and.
And what the same job center where they were saying there were no job that's -- the exact same center.
I said I'm looking for a job what can you as you how we work.
And they told me I should go in a -- for food stamps and that they wouldn't help me and that's I was receiving him as he tried another jobs I -- I want to Kutztown.
And I went to another jobs and -- have the same thing.
And he told me.
We don't we don't have jobs we give out food stamps.
Commissioner I can't count for every encounter an individual may have I will say this did you get -- assistants.
I did not get I did not get on assistance she didn't get a benefit I.
It's hard enough she would have been I -- -- looking for assistance I want to work I -- -- sound he could you have gotten assistance think they were offering it to you mean I'm sure that I -- applied if I wanted to.
Well she didn't and she didn't get -- tell the rest of your story you kept looking for jobs I did I kept looking I went to a work force one center up in -- -- chain all the way up there that same day.
They actually turning away they said we can't help you yet you need to come back at 8:30 in the morning next week and go to a jobs trading session.
She could've found a job or her own more easily than going the whole.
These government -- -- because eventually they got you interviewed one set you depress the food stores.
And you talk to the manager there.
And he said what.
While I waited I went to press for an interview and it turned out it was just a public open house where anyone can walk -- and so I waited an hour and a half.
And finally spoke -- the manager and told him told him my story -- now workforce one.
And he said that he rarely communicates with -- first one he said they never call and they never asking questions.
And I asked well how are the people that they -- they are the people that you -- -- hire and he said now.
The fact is that the welfare caseloads of 360000.
-- as -- as it was in 1965.
That's because we have a work requirement in New York City.
Well I mean that is absolutely great but I'm still think of your 151000.
Employees and we -- unemployment pared some of it but it's like the Soviet Union we do a lot more than just cash assistance we provide public health insurance we provide adult protective services we do child support enforcement.
Which goes after deadbeat dads to make sure they pay -- were for the children collected 700 million dollars from.
-- without some parents last year 200 million dollars -- -- to moms who used to be on welfare.
So it's a big agency it doesn't just do cash welfare in fact what's funny about our program.
Is that the couple cash welfare program is much much smaller than the rest of the agency when the old days it was a big part of -- -- And now Medicaid Medicare these are much bigger programs agreed but.
Do you ever as you look at the civil service rules think she you know we're -- It's hard to fire people I can't really managed to where would if I were in the private sector the charity would do it better.
No I don't honestly and I don't think that charity all by itself would provide public health insurance to the number of people we provide in your city.
The fact is employers don't provide it to offer low wage workers.
Health insurance anymore they don't know I don't know what happened and I'll consider when our judiciary Catholic hospitals that would take people and I don't think the hospitals would be able to survive.
With without some form of public health insurance.
And I think if we want to talk about welfare spending -- wanna look at those statistics.
Make sure you make a different solution between Medicaid spending which is thirty billion dollars in New York City.
-- cash welfare which is one billion dollars.
So there's a difference.
In Medicaid -- right health care costs are driving this country to bankruptcy.
But don't blame it on poor people seeking welfare -- food stamps.
All right on that note thank you so well -- -- commissioner door please stick around because our audience has questions for you about coming up.
How is America.
Like the places where this goes on.
Also some solutions for life.
After the welfare state.
The -- tonight's titled after the welfare state mostly because I like the title of this new book.
It's meant for you were younger people and argues they do you -- job to undo the work of welfare state is politicians.
This -- mar -- started Social Security Germany.
The man in America Roosevelt Kennedy Johnson Nixon bush Obama and so on.
The atlas foundation which produced the book made this video to introduce it.
Welfare states are disappearing into the sea of red.
Children born today face a lifetime of taxes to pay for benefits for their elders.
Government debts keep growing.
Short sighted politicians are stealing the future from young people Tom Palmer edited the book what -- means stealing the future.
Politicians have rob young people of their future.
They're required to put money into what amounts to big Ponzi scheme it's a pyramid scheme.
To pay current recipients for the Social Security -- Social Security Medicare Medicaid is a whole raft of these things.
And they're gonna get stuck with the bill for the unfunded liabilities are just staggering John.
I'm very conservative estimate about eighty trillion dollars is the present value.
The gap between what -- good attacks and what they're going to have to spend because is no money in anybody -- accounts it's just a promise and there are more of us old people expect.
To get our health care paid for.
That this so called trust fund is an IOU you can go visit it's -- -- in -- final tour in West Virginia and says I owe you eighty trillion dollars.
And these college students.
Out -- a I have to pay for in there just aren't enough of them because people my age rudely refused to die.
Well that's one way to look at it exactly.
But it even setting this up the aside -- picks.
Lifespan going up this system was broke the -- was established because it's -- -- you go system.
If any private company insurance company investment scheme had this financial structure of the CEO.
Would be imprisoned in fact.
Birdie -- off is in prison he could.
All right so your -- -- title after the welfare state what are they supposed to do about.
Well I think the first thing is understand that when -- take responsibility for oneself.
And just be realistic those benefits are not going to be there they've been promised but the politicians cannot make good on its arithmetic there's an old saying.
Things that can't keep going on -- This is gonna come to an end.
Now the question is what's gonna come after and what happens to poor people -- commissioner of welfare in New York City said private charity won't be enough to helpful but the first thing to remember.
Is that the welfare state isn't about the poor.
The vast bulk of welfare state expenditures do not go to the poured their churned among the middle classes.
Comes out of one pocket goes into the other minus food giant handling feet.
Think it's taken off in Washington farm subsidies subsidies for business all kinds over a hundred billion dollars a year.
And just handouts corporate welfare to big companies all right back to the poor.
He says it's cherry won't take care and I think most people believe that yeah I think it's wrong not -- -- why.
The first point is that there's a cascade of different ways to take care of -- first of course is self help.
That's the most important thing helping people to help themselves.
Second isn't charity charity was traditionally the third thing people look to.
Who who was quote mutual aid people taking care of themselves.
Americans prior to the well first they were big enjoyed -- of associations over 30%.
-- the adult population in 1925 -- members of lodges this was before the welfare state.
So a third of the adults joined these mutual aid societal -- Which helped each other.
They helped each other and all kinds of ways they provided benefits they provided hospitals think about all of the masonic and trying -- hospitals that are out there.
Those were all -- voluntarily with money that people voluntarily gave the help to members of their community and they hit an additional charitable elements as well to help the in the gender of the people who were.
Had bad luck.
But primarily these are people helping each other most of them have been wiped out by the welfare state and we got wiped out physically but people said.
Chief the government's gonna do this there's no point in -- we're -- by pay twice their first you pay the tax and then you're paying the membership dues to an organization.
So they were systematically displaced to Western Europe United States and other countries because the government said all they're not perfect they missed some people we can do better.
Right and we can create giant constituencies that will reinforce each other you talked about 151000.
Employees in the New York City welfare system.
Every one of those is a voter also and they don't like to see those systems cut.
So they've created a political constituency that reinforces itself you argue.
Unlike the commissioner.
That these mutual aid societies would take care of the people who need help.
If they were still around today that they would do a better job than his 151000 employees did would can and -- no question about it I give you one example that works really well it's invisible to most people.
It's out there any city in the United States 24 hours a day you can call a number of some local talk to -- an alcohol problem.
There's meetings every night of the week and most American cities that people can go to to deal with their problems that's people helping each other all voluntary offering.
And it works a lot better than government rehabilitation programs.
-- -- within the next.
A new place.
Without a welfare state a free city is about to be born what will -- be like.
Will take you there next.
And America have a welfare state grows -- government takes more power.
I hope that'll change but I'm not at the mystic -- Thomas Jefferson said the natural progress of things is for liberty to yield.
And government to gain ground.
He said that years ago and he's been proven right but what if there was up.
Way to create a new kind of government government a more limited one -- Jefferson had in mind that helps.
Poor people by freeing the free market to work its magic.
A free city not too far from the United States were Americans could move.
-- -- happened -- -- central American country recently signed an agreement with a group of investors to build a privately run the city.
Apple have it's own police force no income tax no sales tax no capital gains tax only.
Property tax and no federal regulations.
It's -- good to meet the man behind it Michael strong joins us now from Honduras so.
Michael you came in this show a year ago to discuss the idea of a free city it sounds like you've made progress.
We've made considerable progress we expect we will be able to break ground within thirty days after the Honduran government finalized -- the legislation.
I didn't find the regions and also appointing a governor for the region.
It's all already the Honduran legislature passed.
Bill authorizing the general principles a hundred.
26 to one sol.
There -- behind it was incredibly popular.
That congress realizes that the best hope for prosperity for Honduras is to create these special development regions.
They're modeled after the special development regions that have been so spectacularly successful in China.
Which had cities scale special development regions such actions and also Dubai which had a 110 acre region that had its own legal system -- imported British common law.
To cave in to Dubai international financial -- that's resulted in billions of dollars of capital flowing in.
And one of the greatest financial centers in the world Dubai has sure real law.
Except for in the Dubai international financial center where they realize -- that by importing British common law.
They could actually attract international outlook and it stayed -- realize there's no way they could have attracted billions of dollars in.
Capital and financial institutions.
So -- simply were very practical and they took the best legal system in which to do business in this case financial business Honduras.
Through this special development regions is going to have the best kinds of legal systems for creating businesses of all sorts you're gonna you're gonna use Texas law.
We are proposing -- to the perspective.
Honduran governor that a default -- legal system without US federal law.
It's pretty good law most American business people respect and feel comfortable with Texas commercial law.
And many Hondurans feel comfortable with Texas commercial law.
Criminal laws separate where that the red governor will have to determine what that is.
Who we believe that Texas commercialize a good brand globally for business and that that will help attract significant capital of the project.
So you have this area it's about a 150 miles from where you are now in the capital.
And some left wing activists in Honduras say you're gonna steal land from -- Honduran try.
That that's simply misunderstanding there was an earlier -- been various earlier versions of a project which we're near the region of Trujillo where these there have been problems with.
Various people taken land from indigenous tribes.
We have absolutely nothing to do that where hundreds of -- away.
As a matter of principle we are -- land by options on land actually.
From private landowners who have clear title -- sell market prices and Americans are gonna go there and say -- -- -- pot factory.
There will we expect people from around the world being interested in opening factories our goal is to -- How be the most customer friendly government on -- We think some companies Nordstrom's provides great customer service we've got a government provided really great customer service.
It was efficient effective transparent.
That's a -- that a lot of businesses like.
What if the politicians in Honduras changed and say enough of this capitalist experiment we're gonna take it back.
No politician wants to be against.
It's region -- successfully created jobs so even when hard left -- president was briefly.
In charge of Honduras he didn't -- free zones because you don't touch something where hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake.
We believe -- that although the legal infrastructure including.
Laws against its preparation and a requirement that a country compensated company for its appropriation of one layer protection.
Much better is to create jobs for hundreds of thousands and millions of people.
And give them a vested stake in protecting this because their livelihoods depend on.
Well thank you Michael strong good luck to you and I should add that -- you're not just in this for the money here a libertarian who along with John MacKey and others and a group called flaw we just want to prove that this.
We -- I actually came from the left and colleges many college students where I used to things that the government and solution markets for the problem.
Then -- actually learned economics has studied under Gary Becker Nobel laureate and I realized I was an idiot with respect economics before I studied one seller and economics.
Markets paid jobs capitalism creates jobs what's the biggest problem on earth people are -- -- they -- they don't have jobs.
It's very simple -- -- properly structured free market system with good rule of -- secure property rights and economic freedom.
Entrepreneurs create hundreds of thousands and millions possibly billions of jobs.
That's the best way to pick global peace and prosperity.
I'm not passionate believer in the -- human to human humanity and I want to -- great.
Peace and prosperity globally it's very simple John Lennon give me give peace a chance but -- create millions of jobs and we'll have a better world thank you -- -- help.
The audiences heard tonight saw how good.
Also we'll look at the ultimate results on the opposite of free city.
Bill bloated welfare state.
We're back with your questions or comments for my guests congressman Jim Jordan.
New York City commissioner of human resources -- door.
And Tom Palmer author of after the welfare state so first from FaceBook -- Dave Hamilton -- could collapse of the welfare state.
Ever be peace for I don't see it collapse happening without chaos.
Yeah I think absolutely take Sweden Sweden has this -- -- think lumbering staggering welfare state.
The 1990s there is some hard questions this is not affordable.
They still have some way to go but they managed to trim their welfare state very dramatically in Sweden.
For -- -- all that -- yes we didn't we think of physical welfare rights it's less socialistic and less welfare state going to them.
Most other countries in Europe right now there's more free labor market.
Canada has done a good job in this they went directly to the voters they said this is the reality that we faced.
-- I think there's even further to go the cuts are much deeper than most politicians are willing to address.
But they can be made if you have.
An adult conversation about it it's about arithmetic.
It's not about -- user wishes it's about math yes.
The question for the congressman.
How -- you imagine that we can overcome sort of the bipartisanship.
And -- -- -- person consensus.
On such controversial issues such as welfare reform.
Well I mean look that's why have elections people -- -- -- -- why don't you compromise with the Democrats.
The folks in my district didn't elect me no compromise with Barack Obama to raise taxes to go along with -- performance spend like crazy.
They elected me to stop -- and so we have to make the case.
We're making and the course this campaign we have a few more weeks in this campaign.
When we win like I think we're going to then we'll have the mandate to do what needs to be done to fix it.
A lot of folks who run and work for a private charities and nonprofits.
Who themselves believe that the government should do more to help the poor rather than less.
So why do you think that is if they do such a better job in the government does.
Who is seen as lot of groups like Catholic Charities have become effectively lobby for the reason I don't give them any money.
You give money to that organization they spend it lobbying to get the government to do their job.
I don't understand their rationale they say we're doing good work all the government's gonna give us more money to do more good work.
We'll take gets astonishingly and effective that a lot of groups out there that do a good job unfortunately.
They become many of them have become addicted to welfare just like welfare recipient the welfare state has an effect corrupted.
Civil society as well it's one of the deep problems with the welfare state is they encourage dependency.
Even among people who should be dedicated their lives to helping others directly.
-- is for commission door.
I admire you didn't tensions in and trying to help.
I sense -- -- coming.
But but do you think that.
Do you think that on.
Department such as yours should individual responsibility.
To helping poor by having us in the back reminds saying oh we don't have so Kara -- -- use the into the state.
I do agree that I think there is sense among individuals that now that the government's doing and I don't have to and I've seen I also.
-- in my church group as well and people do think we'll government should do it why should die.
And I think that's that's bad for America.
How long -- do you think it's going to take if we do it eventually succeed in ending the welfare state -- mutual aid societies to return.
The first point is the welfare state is really -- to end itself.
The reason is it's broke it's bankrupt it really cannot be sustained.
So the question is what are we going to do about that.
I think that we need to begin in this is where politicians in office holders have -- really important role.
Finding their transition getting people into saving for themselves.
You have to cut out subsidies to.
Big agriculture agribusiness you have to cut out all the wasteful expenditures.
Maybe stop invading other countries -- save a few trillion dollars right there.
Jordan -- here rescinding the Republicans and the Republicans seem eager to spell more on defense how can we afford that what is a dangerous world out there I think you got to have three -- to keep in mind first.
Peace through strength -- make sense -- not Sam needs you didn't -- but you know you -- -- you -- a strong military to project strength around the world and this important event in the world we live in today.
We remember our allies this administration.
The way -- treat our number one ally this individual I think is just flat wrong.
And then and then third you do need to rethink for -- I mean I got a colleague has a great line he says.
You know we got to pay people to hate us they probably do it for free hand and -- So we need to -- rethink foreign aid and what's in the best interest of our country -- and here's the bottom line the world's a scary place.
It is a dangerous -- out there but it's a better place when we lead with our values our history our heritage that's why it's all important.
We do need to leave we need to be careful about but we do need to -- normal thank huge.
Got a little -- -- return might take on life.
After the welfare states.
After the welfare state that's an optimistic title it assumes there will be an end to our.
Dependency inducing system.
That's by no means clear.
In Europe today people demonstrate in -- to protest almost any cutbacks and they have an absurd welfare state.
Why are they so -- In -- government no longer pay civil servants extra for coming to work on time or for using a computer.
In Italy teachers no longer can retire with a fat pension at age thirty now.
There are other cutbacks -- but not many European welfare states are still bigger than our spot.
Our welfare state now grows faster than -- so is this what -- we face.
Once people are used to get -- free stuff they fight to hold onto it.
Our welfare state money will run out people can't keep -- themselves free stuff.
Well I guess they can keep voting for it but the money will run out.
Mitt Romney expresses what I fear -- when he says about 47%.
Of Americans are people.
-- -- -- -- title when people feel entitled to government handouts.
They tend to do this when governments take some hand outs away.
But this -- maybe you will learn from what's going on in Europe.
Okay probably not American -- pay much attention the news from overseas.
But a few countries -- reform their welfare states without blood -- Can you know of all places thirty years ago socialist Canada cut government spending from 17%.
Obama currently spends between 4% by the way.
But can't -- cut from 17%.
Just like that.
And what happened Canada -- Canadian dollar rose from just 72 cents to -- buck and two cents today.
Less government was good for people.
Even for poor people 11% government leaves plenty to help the helpless.
And in fact of 24%.
Were taken from us we is free individuals would do -- -- help the poor.
And such private charity does a better job.
It's closer to the people that serves better at separating those who really need help from those who need a push.
Mitt Romney was criticized for giving most of his charity money to the Mormon Church.
A writer for the nation -- Did virtually nothing to any program that focuses directly and feeding the hungry.
It's clear that -- these donations are about taking care of his own.
This is just ignorant.
Religious charity help slot support people and mormons help lots of non mormons for example they have a monster warehouse filled with food.
And they give it to anyone in need any religion.
When that earthquake hit Haiti relief from mormons got there before government helped it.
After Hurricane Katrina same deal.
Even the New York Times reported the Mormon trucks were the first to Iraq.
And PBS said the efficiency of the Mormon welfare apparatus is legendary trucks were there before the National Guard even allow the relief through.
The response is incredibly fast incredibly efficient.
When people need help we should stop automatically thinking that government welfare is the solution.
After the welfare state but I hope to live to see this private individuals acting without government coercion.
We'll make the world a much better place.
That's our show and John Stossel.
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