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The -- show always come to one of those ultra liberal campuses.
University of north Carolina at Chapel Hill and hear the word freshman is now disparage you're not supposed to say that that's.
And speaking of sex it was a speech -- explicitly or implicitly.
Asking for sex.
Is against the call.
What does that say about free speech and free minds and free people.
That's our show.
It's always come to one of the most prestigious universities and American University of North Carolina.
We're here because last night in this auditorium I debated ex presidential candidate and former Vermont governor Howard Dean about the role of government in America.
-- like convince students that we should have less government but I don't know whatever you think about government.
What's important is that we have an open debate about that in fact that open debate about everything and traditionally that's what universities were supposed to be about the open debate.
But -- Campuses these day it's often are not.
For two reasons for that one thing is that there are some uptight colleges that have speech Kohl's.
Speech can't say.
And to -- campuses also liberal bit conservatives and libertarians.
If they speak up and say what -- Hadley he's had.
Experience along those lines you were a student here he graduated.
This couple years ago.
And -- -- studies free speech and colleges all around America he's with a group called fire the foundation for individual rights and education.
It's -- heavily in first.
-- you weren't very political when he first came.
And what happened.
-- well I had some opinions -- during that time I really struggled to sort out.
What I believed and struggled to know when to speak up and felt a lot of times I should be quiet.
You shouldn't speak up because you lose friends.
Immediately you know.
There was a variety of students on the other side of the aisle so to speak there were some -- -- we're very mature but then there -- some other students on campus to.
I could be pretty loud mouth about their opinions and I think that really overshadows the culture on campus when there's a -- with students who.
Make a lot of noise can be very intimidating for people in the minority -- for example.
Congressman Tom Tancredo is invited to our campus of course -- speech never happens protesters show down out of -- -- worse but it takes greater his positions on immigration right.
You disagree with yeah I -- I disagree with -- Sure I'm not really -- rule in alignment with Tom Tancredo philosophies on every issue I think he's got some good ideas about tax policy but then.
Other areas I don't see I I so I was curious about what he shot and I wanted to send.
To hear him out I was present that day when the -- -- events but it really -- something on me when many of the protesters were shouting.
There's no debates no space for hate us and and that really hit home with me that -- -- honestly don't wanna -- -- there's no debate and nothing was shouted yeah.
He was Saudi hands feet and right he couldn't he couldn't do his event that day so that's the sort of -- protesters were outside the building and they threw rocks through the window right and you know the university.
It reacted and condemned those actions so it again it wasn't you -- -- being systematic about discrimination it was just that.
A handful of people who sort of went rogue ends -- things got out of control also.
-- unfortunate but the thing -- took away from that is.
Some people really don't wanna have a debate and some people don't wanna hear my views some people think -- -- -- -- illegitimate or even hateful.
That accident -- them.
And you go to campuses around the country.
Most are liberal for some reason and other students feel silence.
Yeah I think that's fair to saying.
The culture there has become not pretty monolithic.
And the colleges and universities don't seem be very interested in doing anything to to change that in fact if anything.
You know they they -- policies and that sort of thing that make it more difficult for students who have minority viewpoints -- viewpoints that.
Are within the campus mainstream to speak out.
And the professors lean left one survey -- thirteen hundred college professors found 51%.
Are registered Democrats which is half the group so -- but only 14%.
-- in the social science is only 6% Republican.
Right I've seen other data that those college professors at 72% of them nationwide identified self identify as liberal.
Which maybe they don't -- with Democratic Party but they self identify as liberal which is a big disparity between them and the general public.
So you -- -- junior here when Obama was elected and the climate was creepy.
You know it went out little cult fish but I think we all you know the -- and something that just happening even see but on college campuses across the nation.
-- sometimes it's not just about the attitude there are actual speech Bates and that's right.
Fire rates colleges green light yellow light red light based on free speech that's right.
This university just got demoted.
That's because of two policies that you -- C maintains.
One of the sexual harassment policy which is one of the places that if you attended college other than UNC one of the most common places -- -- speech code.
And for instance -- it bans all sexually explicit jokes.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- you have a copy you're a student here David Pearson and did you ran across this and what you find.
One of the policies -- sexually explicit jokes -- and certain kind of looks and I think it's very difficult to control the way in which you look at someone.
There's also policy now.
In in the residence halls that says to avoid using the written or spoken word in a way that offends.
Which is which is pretty outrageously broad I think a picture of of Mitt Romney would offend 70% of residence hall.
And I was struck by the part that says you may not.
Asked for sex.
Since then and how that -- -- get there.
I think we would all of some advice on.
He had sex since he can't implicitly or explicitly it is it automatically -- I have a ticket races where clearly these these policies are not sort of they're not well thought out.
And that this is what you get with bureaucracy at schools the same way you get -- with bureaucracy in governments to school also says we're gonna use the word freshman anymore.
Yes and we want we we asked them about that we want gender inclusive term so it's now for -- -- sure what what's.
Her first year I think her sister heard.
Term this is typical.
I think it's pretty frequent you know we found that 65%.
Of schools both private and public have speech -- That -- violate the constitution if it's a public school like UNC or at a private school would violate the constitution.
If it was a public school.
And you've contacted the school they say they're studying your complaint.
Right that's the usual answer from almost anywhere well we'll think about it as if the First Amendment is something you can balance against your own concerns that's -- -- law works sometimes you settle and then.
That's right almost always they backed him.
Oh that's right you know whatever fire coordinates a lawsuit.
You know when whenever we have you know.
Become part of a lawsuit against a red -- speech -- that speech -- struck down by the.
Court there's another university down the road north and NC state North Carolina State.
Derek Spicer was and RA there that's residential advisor for you older folks of what that means that -- you live in the door menu help with the younger students.
You know went during the event happened and then it settled I get -- buildings set up.
All I'm in charge of policy enforcement and you were asked to put up.
The civility -- Not just put it up it was actually put on refrigerator magnets and we had to put them -- every single room on the -- on the refrigerator so that every resident in a residence hall had to see them.
-- don't we want civility.
Well stability in -- itself is not bad thing but.
This obsession with trying to make -- that went civil can -- debate.
-- was some people are more passionate than others they ever get fired her belly when they had an issue particularly things stand up for.
And it comes across is -- to other people are might offend some people well it's not bad.
What's the point -- that dialogue it's supposed to offend people you're supposed to be offended by things that are the problem -- university or your country so I think.
That -- passionate discourse.
Should be encouraged not to -- And what Derek said stability is great and I think most of the time that should be the rule but you know there are certain circumstances which all of us would agree.
That -- cannot be the Paramount circumstance when you're dealing with a huge societal issues like the civil rights movement.
You know you can you simply can't.
Accomplish your goals if you're too busy worrying about being civil and not offending.
Other people sitting on the launch tower that was segregated.
And refusing to move that's not simple but there's nothing civil about that you know there's nothing civil about.
Responding to somebody who you might think is making racist comments by raising your voice to them or telling them to knock off that's not civil but it would be really you know say that we want the government to tell you that you can't do that when that happens that's that's no way to run a free society.
Thank you all when we return should it be illegal to marry the wrong person.
Should it be illegal to give advice about nutrition a bloc about well.
It may be.
And state that in more from.
And a Chapel Hill -- stuff it's.
Open space is not just threatened on.
Campuses like this it's always threatens somewhere buys somebody -- authority.
Here's another example Steve cook C works for -- medical equipment company here in North Carolina but also on the side.
You tried your hand -- blogging in you guide to nutrition.
Eroded -- bloc of like -- -- be giving advice and what happened.
Well I was told by the state of North Carolina -- I should stop giving nutritional advice and nutritional guidance they they even.
-- -- -- -- here and with red lines here there here is why you may not because.
You're giving advice that you may not do that without a license.
So tell -- -- I -- to get I've certification to tell people to eat meats and vegetables.
Why is it against the -- all detail people to avoid grains to -- diabetics to reduce carbon that help the -- -- blitzer why is that wrong.
So you contacted a group called the Institute for Justice he heard about them they fight these rules and Paul shortly -- a lawyer with them.
Well we litigate across the country on behalf of people who try to threatened by the government and one of the areas we work and is the First Amendment.
And we -- terrible.
For Steve but we were also excited because this case raises one of the most important unanswered questions and First Amendment law.
Which is what happens when the government's power to regulate occupations conflicts.
With free speech.
And they regulate a lot of occupations these days more and more all the time used to be able to just start a business now it can -- how much what is the cost it.
It would have cost you thousands of dollars and it would take have taken years of his life.
To get the dietitian licensing in this is a nationwide problem fifty years ago only 5% of the American population he -- -- license from the government.
To work in their chosen occupation now that number is 30% -- its continuing to increase.
Us here in North Carolina you had it would've had to get 900 hours of apprenticeship even after you've got your degree.
To end and yet this state nutrition board -- -- we're gonna monetary you're make sure you don't keep don't see this use stopped because.
In theory they could put -- -- That is correct there until we 120 days.
Right they tell me -- I could not give up personal advice or guidance on how to -- even though.
I am -- successfully.
-- successfully self treatment of diabetes with diet and exercise I couldn't tell others to do that.
And we -- -- advice -- Harvard nutritionist she says it was pretty reasonable but even if that was.
Stupid I mean I would think on the Internet people who all is a lot of garbage in the Internet and it ought to be allowed to be there.
Is that you can write a book about nutrition but if you want to give one on one advice to someone that's categorically forbidden.
And often this happens because the established businesses.
They mean well they want to protect their.
Industry have a good reputation but also they're trying to keep free competition.
-- that story that we see again and again with -- occupational license for boards is that the industry itself is the one who's calling for regulation it's not that the public is afraid.
The people like Steve are giving dietary advice it's the dietitians.
Don't want Steve competing with them.
CC north Carolinas but average in terms of unnecessary and intrusive regulations.
To become a -- a 180 dollars in fees 250.
Days of tests and classes two years to become a barber.
To become a landscape contractor three years.
Also a security alarm installer this is one reason unemployment stays -- Well and you one of the most outrageous things about these -- is how much the requirements -- between states.
There's over a dozen states that don't have any license -- requirements for nutritionists.
-- that are the people in those states that much more in danger from the people here in North Carolina absolutely not.
Paul and Steve good luck to you -- you get the block again coming up.
This state North Carolina this year passed a constitutional.
Against gay marriage is that right.
We'll debate that.
I felt fossil -- from the university of north Carolina at Chapel Hill itself.
Let me ask the audience here how many of you think gay marriage should be legal -- -- here.
How many viewed -- All right.
You're a liberal group typical you're not the normal North Carolina audience because I know that there was just a vote.
60% of north Carolina's apparently disagree they recently voted in favor a constitutional amendment.
Make sure there won't be court approved gay marriage and with us now is Stuart Campbell from equality North America who fought against the amendment.
And Tammy FitzGerald from North Carolina values coalition.
You helped -- so you won.
Why did you want to.
Well it's important for the people of North Carolina to be the ones -- define marriage not the courts.
In marriages they -- political institution were afraid some judgment just decide this is legal even though most people oppose it.
That's right it's happened in others say this happen in about six states the people of Iowa.
Never thought that would happen there.
In the courts redefine marriage for them the courts in Massachusetts and Connecticut redefine marriage.
And says I guess the attack on marriage -- has been through the judicial system.
And the merits let me -- winning the attack on marriage to say let gay people very true.
Expect this marriage how's that -- there.
Why I think it's audacious for a society that think they can redefine marriage marriage is pre political.
It existed outside of the state outside the government for a long time.
And so for the government to impose an artificial definition.
On the people of the state is stay in her parents and marriage store bought.
I think you first have to realize that we are trying to redefine anything we're actually trying to join.
An institution that we respect greatly.
There are over 11100.
Benefits at the federal government conveys unmarried couples.
An early -- than a hundred benefits they let you get rid 1130.
So are you against -- We're not against gays in this is the whole point.
This is this is not an anti gay movement this was not.
About why not let gays -- this was about protecting the traditional definition of marriage as between one man and one woman because.
Married to -- the definition outside of government government has no right to redefine marriage.
Your objective people make private contracts and say I consider myself married to you.
No in fact they do that already in North Carolina and nothing in the amendment changed that.
There was this whole list of parade of horrible as that was supposed to happen after the marriage amendment passed according to the opposition.
And none of that has happened.
It was supposed to -- child custody and that has not happened.
It was supposed to have hurt the ability.
Though it's early yet.
Well idiots but so far about four months after the amendment passed none of this parade of horrible since half story.
It actually does much more than just marriage it's actually.
Prohibits marriage civil unions and one of the concerns we have its domestic partnerships.
Because it states that only.
Something haul domestic legal union is there anything legal in North Carolina but no one's ever define what that is would you have.
The -- expand further should people be allowed to marry.
Three women polygamy no I I think there are reasons why that doesn't make sense because there -- you are because our our country and the history of marriage is between two individuals the history of our country is telling -- to hide in the closets.
Bought it and you know and and that is not even a debate that.
We're having right now we're just always -- festival is the consenting adults should be allowed to get married.
I'm well you know that's something perhaps for another organization to promote I'm personally I'm actually after -- just seeing.
That gay and lesbian north Carolinians with the ability to get -- The logic breaks down when you talk about the extent to which this private contract theory would would GAAP.
And settle it the government has an interest in marriage because Barry is about the future of our country it's about this morning.
Children she doesn't give away what.
That there's not a single person in this country who isn't.
Can get divorced or not married because they're -- -- it's and that it does that claim that it's an attack on marriage as is -- -- -- Well the whole point is that the government's purpose in protecting marriage is to protect children.
Now children are -- natural result of natural marriage marriage between one man and one woman.
And so marriage is about trying to.
And it wasn't -- easy.
Eating their children are a lot of single parents around her well and San.
I think in favor of laws that -- people who can't have children from getting pregnant if that's really the only point eight.
Then why do they -- about.
Children are the natural product from -- marriage now there are exceptions to that rule and couples who are childless are not are not prohibited from -- of course because.
Marriage is about procreation doesn't mean that those who can't procreate are excluded from the institutions -- itchy -- is now.
That we have laws that there is no set of circumstances.
Under which gays and lesbians can't procreate.
That is the point.
And then it's.
They should limited to only people they go through fertility test if that's going to be the only well that's.
Definition of mad -- you miss the point entirely your point -- -- -- points are right now I don't.
We have laws against.
We have laws that prevent -- -- exactly this state has an interest in regulating marriage because the state has an interest in promoting the natural family.
The fans should not be allowed the -- exactly in.
Cousins are allowed to nurses in North Carolina they can.
Yes it's funny -- All right -- Using now.
Thank you Stewart and Tammy coming up.
Can universities solve the world's problems I don't think so.
I think universities are kind of escaped unscathed expensive scam but my next guest says I.
I am wrong and universities can solve the world's -- That's.
If North Carolina colleges are supposed to be a marketplace of ideas but many missed out says the author of the new book.
The engines of innovation.
That's -- Goldstein he's a professor of entrepreneurship here at the university.
And you say entrepreneurial thinking is missing at schools.
So what entrepreneurs are good that is is that intersection between execution and innovation.
There are good at taking innovations in making them happen.
And by bringing some of those people on campus we can increase the impact of the kind of research that goes on universities.
-- -- -- Did the reality is there aren't many places like research universities.
In our society anymore in fact they're really the crown jewels of our society there around 300.
Billion dollars in.
The major research universities.
Some of the most talented intellectually people in the world are here and the public in general expects more from universities and what it's gotten so far.
And crown jewels -- good work in that it's so expensive the money being thrown by forced out of taxpayers to universities what -- -- I think that's why -- say one reason I say colleges become a -- Well if you look at percentage that taxpayers are paying to research universities is going down very very fast and I asked the wrong.
But I would ask you who's gonna take the place privacy will bring innovation I was in the private sector was -- other major company.
-- -- order in this quarter to quarter mentality is that don't allow the kind of research.
-- that creates two innovation in our society.
And the fact is there are things that universities can do that the private sector can't afford to do.
What have we got from all these billions of dollars -- so university you know.
Given them on the Internet I half I've heard of that of that that the original arouses and then at university that own a cat and much have.
Microchips that power our our computers were invented Stanford okay.
So NLS and those OK so here we have a Nobel Prize winner and his invention was the lab -- a really.
88 -- that was consistent and this -- spent like thirty years to get exactly the right -- so all these threes are.
No company is -- to invent the vast.
Thirty years to get exactly the right rat so that all -- the scientists can do.
Kind of research they need with much so there are there is a role.
Now we're lousy and commercialization.
We know that.
Bringing it to consumers really know are making -- -- that only exactly.
And we need help and so one of the our -- as we need to get more entrepreneurs on did this on two campuses to help.
And the schools that do that I can have a much higher impact.
And frankly -- students.
Who play a huge role in getting that done.
And let me -- and part two of -- scam accusation.
I did on the other -- -- so far so good yeah.
The sixty biggest research universities have -- totaling 250 billion down that's a lot of money.
I won't give money -- my alma mater they have seventy billion in balances and then I'm gonna call development -- and come to stop calling.
That they know.
And one result of this is that the taxpayers are being hit plus -- all this loan money come and in.
Tuition goes up and all over the past 25 years.
Inflation's been a 100%.
Health care costs were all upset about that 220%.
College tuition more than 300%.
And it it's because of all this money.
This college is relatively cheap tuition 7800.
Dollars that's a market for instate for in state students.
But the taxpayers fork over sixteen now -- student.
What do you get to get all these kids with big dance and a lot of them can't find jobs.
In general I agree with.
-- -- I think that it was part of the issue though is.
What is success you don't measured on.
Income how much income you make -- like that I don't think that's a measure of -- not about the job you get the more prestigious university.
The least well we do.
On helping people to get that first job now some of it is just the degree frankly.
-- whatever's -- -- -- bartenders.
15% now have college degrees taxi drivers also 15% a lot of people -- go to schools like this goal of the death.
Can't find that job in here in French literature English Hillary's Bosnia -- so it's just a prize so -- I'm saying is we need to do better.
I don't think it's bad to study French literature -- that.
Psychology there you -- help you get it -- now now.
But you could -- the -- yeah it was a worth a let tuition room.
So I black suited for college all of this intellectual for -- learn how to play poker and learn how to talk.
I was -- -- I didn't have to pay all that.
The I think that it is not an -- to see.
How much money you make it's not an -- to see them much of it I think you -- character well -- well I think you learned you know in some cases hopefully you do and I think.
As it looked at a liberal education the most important thing we can do is to cause people think about things and learn -- to think just like you.
Are doing on your show every every week which is to get people think about things maybe in ways they hadn't thought about it before.
I think that's a noble thing to do.
But my -- so yeah.
-- -- -- Your show history or cable subscription is the cost right right.
I don't think England's.
Being forced to pay tuition.
And I think it's clear that some places that tuition is.
Is worth it and there are probably some places where it's not.
Thank you -- Goldstein coming up we hear what the students have to say.
-- -- -- felt from the University of North Carolina now all the students get to speak or ask questions going yet.
What and it Chaim Levine I -- senior to university.
So I -- to some -- -- -- in the biology department.
And most of the rescission that departments when I and I experience.
I was wondering do you think if we -- -- cut funding our policy and mates how do you think the private sector would react and -- -- on that same type of music.
Good question libertarians are torn about this libertarians say government does many too many things the private sector can handle at all.
But many say basic science the National Institutes of Health.
That's something the government needs to do.
Skeptical because who they give the grants to old people my seventy year old brother just got one.
And most innovation comes from.
-- you're -- because the establishment knows how to work the system but.
Maybe the NIH is one of those things we do -- I am Patrick and you know I'm a freshman from Chicago Christian.
And my question is freshman first -- I mean.
Freshman could be fresh fuel and it doesn't have to mean man right now I'm on the -- person.
But my question is regarding your stance on college education.
-- knocked on the college -- -- Princeton yes.
Do you feel as though you would have gained access to the journalism profession as easily.
Or -- what how would you -- -- your time.
If you like and -- I it's hard to know you can't really say what would have happened.
But you're probably right -- and walked out into a very good job and a good career and going.
Graduating from Princeton help me.
But I say I'm skeptical of college is now because today.
Almost half the people who go -- Don't graduate even after six years a lot of people are being lured in by this message that everyone should go to college.
You'll make a million dollars more over your lifetime.
The truth is yeah I he'll make a million dollars more real -- time but that's because it's a different population that goes to college and many of those people would have made more money anyway.
And lots of the people going could have made more money doing something else but you're right worked out for me.
I hurt my name is all I actually go to a school -- -- -- university.
I just wanted to ask.
How do we tell the difference sometimes between funding the university you know for good research and helping young people.
And may be paying into the system where it ends up inflating the cost instead of actually helping people.
I think it's impossible to tell if other people spend your money.
I would argue university should get their money from people who want to give it voluntarily not from taxpayers who are forced to -- It's -- removed from sport.
And that's how they fund many of these research universities but a lot of you when you graduate you have this affinity for your school.
And you get suckered into I mean and you choose voluntarily.
To give money that's the best way my name is John freshman -- even see.
And what do you think the government's -- -- primary education should be government has -- really messed up primary education primary means K through twelve.
And we now spend so much money thirteenth now for students 300 now per classroom.
Much more than we used to we've tripled spending over the past thirty years scores reflect.
Surprised it's a government monopoly and they always treat their customers poorly you become complacent they don't get it.
Well parents who spend their own money and charities galore would help the poor people who can't afford that but I except -- in America now.
We're used government paying for K through twelve education.
It's not gonna go away but why not attach the money to your back.
If your parents and not been allowed to take that thirteen thousand dollars to any school in your state.
Most schools would have competed to get you and the very best teachers would have competed to get you in their class the teacher would be make it 300 thou a year.
And you would've gotten -- better educated.
Around minus Taylor watts I'm a freshman here at Chapel Hill and -- -- are wondering what is your views on gun control a lot of my whole mates.
Know what you have again that is our Second Amendment right what is -- -- Tiger -- liberal culture like your home excited live in New York City and it's just common sense are criminals if people had a gun there'd be all kinds of people shooting each other accidentally there'd be people get mad and shooting people.
Death blood in the streets I even sent -- to Al Sharpton wants Warren who -- legal for people to carry a pistol on their person.
And every blood on the streets he -- but of course that's the law in most states now in America and I have learned for the work of John applaud and others that -- It doesn't increase crime or shootings that in fact in some cases there are fewer bad guys killing people because.
The bad guy worries that you might be -- exactly.
So it is the second amendment rights and with certain limits the ought to be able to -- -- -- -- -- Hi my name is sterling middle of a senior here -- -- -- the freshman first year thing that we've been talking about a little bit.
Framed -- as of free speech issue which there's no policy of -- is a free speech -- sort of at a political correctness issue.
But I in my view on it is.
Even if it you know helps one incoming first year feel less alien on campus pretty harmless change that you referred to change it like a -- of -- -- I don't know why the negative feeling towards just university policy of the official title of -- because enough is enough I can't believe a woman would feel.
This was definitely.
-- being called a freshman.
And I agree we've had a sexist country.
When my daughter was born -- went through all the Dr.
Seuss books and her children's books and change that he's to she's excited like at that they were all he is.
-- and my name's Aaron I'm from anger and -- is staying Steven hang Yangtze and time my investing education from -- degree.
Cost roughly 151000 -- as Brad Wright and -- his ridiculously expensive to study at stake do you think it's needs to be reform.
While I can see why -- taxpayers.
Don't want -- pain for you to come from England to study here you wanna study here.
You pay for that else that's.
Their state seems reasonable to me.
Intensive -- students as well like say if I was from not skyline and I wanted to study.
And kind of -- Well then you make a choice and you shouldn't have to pay for your choice I say the problem is the tuition.
Would be 151000 dollars everywhere if our federal government and state governments were vomiting money -- all these college.
-- my name is Anthony Jordan and I'm a senior here at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill.
And my question to you is about media the -- statements relationship the government.
And do you think that nowadays.
Media in -- being too soft on political candidates especially in debates.
They should ask more heartening questions and try to really get answers like for instance asking candidate debate.
How do you win a war on terror questions like that.
-- -- -- I wish they would ask how do you win the war on terror but.
Large I think the media is pretty tough instance.
I think it.
Hi John I'm Alex Thomas signed from -- North Carolina and I'm freshman here not a first year.
I'm a freshman.
All right and my question to you is we talked a lot about education today -- would be your plan to fix the education system in this country.
Well it's a point of being head of the Department of Education I would say okay let's abolish it saying -- Now it's educations and take responsibility.
-- Only recently have the -- gotten involved and they haven't improved -- so.
Leave it to the states and let the parents have a choice choice -- -- that.
Finance I think Johnson on the -- my -- Carolina and my question is where do you see this student living in mingling in the future DC grind.
I sure hope so I'm excited you're wearing this young Americans for liberty T shirt here.
College there where.
College Democrats and a couple college Republicans.
Now at least there's this new -- students for liberty chapters and many colleges and it does keep growing.
I hope it keeps growing -- One thing I've learned -- act as a believer in liberty it's a fatal conceit to predict the future so who knows what will happen.
When we come back we will hear more from the students here and they are smarter than I was one I was there.
-- when I go to college.
Students are just smarter they there.
They have more wisdom about things than I ever had at their age they think about subjects like individual liberty.
Now that some governments nutrients France and big -- it is I'd.
They going to start.
Banning certain things like where we can eat and you know how much -- T.
The fourth estate and its relationship -- government do you think they should ask more heartening questions like for instance asking candidates to debate.
How do you win a war on terror.
Why then do we need -- monopoly on force which is -- that's the government has wise we stopped there watt light.
A monopoly is good and come right -- police forces but they don't hear you now and -- also economically inefficient to go ahead in this ransacked people's homes and kill people.
A lot of my -- mates believe that.
Know what should have again.
That is our Second Amendment right why should the government even be in charge of defining marriage period both your guests talked argued about how to define it.
Why should they define and -- Each individual religion should be able to define their own idea -- we have separation of church and state that's not bleed and my government.
So that the government tells me as a secular individual how my view of marriage should be legally it's.
It's good to know that today's students think about such thing.
That's our show from the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill thanks for --
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