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The conventions -- over Mitt Romney told us we can begin our future together.
That's nice others told us we build things and believe in America five.
What does that mean for those of -- to believe in liberty free markets and free people.
-- what -- our.
Audience think about what.
-- the hair and they've wrapped up bottle -- campus so.
Why do we you care about liberty in the dignity of the individual think about what we've heard.
Well this Stossel shows news special correspondent candidate -- despite having worked as a Vijay on MTV cares about free markets and free people.
Is on the floor of the convention hall can't -- been there all week -- July and what may just sick.
-- what may be sick birds.
It -- a police state here I've never seen so much law enforcement it is so difficult actually getting inside the convention.
There's so many branches of law enforcement there's no Secret Service there's the sheriff.
There's the local police they -- -- frisk -- that when it take away your hairspray there wouldn't take away your rights.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yeah I heard it was confiscated the airport.
Act I think it's overkill -- -- are you saying this just a lot or it's it's just unnecessary.
And it's more big government.
It's more big government we're seeing big government all over the place today we visited with the -- -- The FDA within their -- a thermometer.
And every piece of steak.
And every lump of salmon.
Big government is everywhere regardless of what you hear on the states anything alike.
Yes I like that though once I got that I felt like I was never the 1%.
And I did appreciate the entrepreneurial spirit.
I like they work something small business this.
Building up small business because that is the backbone of the economy however -- -- winds -- casualty here.
Don't -- anybody up there with hypocrisy -- on both sides.
And protesters -- -- -- wanna hear more about that later Kennedy will be back -- -- -- Also with an interview that she did -- at the convention with Ron Paul.
But now what -- others who loves free markets and free people think about what we heard this week we're joined by -- -- who founded the biggest Tea Party group.
Hadley he's from the independent women's forum.
Nick Gillespie from reason TV.
Taught me about liberty reason magazine's -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Negron said well I was gonna say I was very inspired by the fact that Clint Eastwood as an 82 year old could stay up later than I -- I think I was I was -- off part way I think Mitt Romney give a very good speech.
Unfortunately I don't I didn't hear the types of specifics.
That I would have liked to have heard I wanted to why don't -- good speech if there are no specific because he first -- if he proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he's actually human being which seem to be in question before.
Any had a lot of passion a lot of vigor in what -- was talk -- so that's good you know the optics matter.
I wanted to hear a line about where he was saying you know it is time to cut -- size the scope in the spending of government.
There was nothing not even you know the weakest gesture.
Was we're gonna get on track.
To lay up balanced budget Obama had said we're gonna cut and 50% to deficit and you know in my first -- -- it.
He's actually lowering the bar in promising that you know what the government is gonna stop spending.
Money it doesn't have for things that we don't need I would like to -- -- that he did.
Not saying anything like absolutely not and -- what what would you have liked to have heard.
Well I don't like the idea an implication that.
Obama's doing a poor job with the economy so Ronnie Ryan is just -- to fix the economy.
Like government's going to fix the economy it's just a new person behind the wheel.
And everything would be better I wanted to -- that we at the American people -- -- for -- Business people exchanging voluntarily with each other creating wealth we will fix it out.
But I'm gonna fix your family whatever it.
I assume you meant maybe he was gonna get out of the way so we could have our own families but it sort of implied the government would solve your family's.
-- -- -- -- -- saying we assume that he's saying get out of the way but that's actually was the big void in the speech.
He didn't say anything about government getting out of the way I was waiting for the punchline and the big line right.
Which is out there is historically other government is not the solution to our problems government is the problem that speech was waiting for the -- line.
The American people were waiting for the hour.
So why doesn't he -- -- it's it's now -- cliche Reagan said it.
Even Bill Clinton sort of set -- I don't know and I'm disappointed because it seems like backtracking from something -- been said in the past that so obvious to the American people and frankly on both sides of the -- You know if if I can say I mean in the 21 century we have had -- massively swollen government first under George Bush and then under Obama government spending is up about 70%.
Since 2000 in real terms this is real money it's doing more than it ever has them before I mean we can't.
Go to the airport without getting felt up you know by -- strangers nothing that you don't.
This is a weird century.
We need a choice between big government and small government not big government and slightly bigger government and it seems to me -- -- Romney you know he's promised.
He's gonna take care for families is gonna take care of our retirements is gonna take care of old people.
And sick people and he's gonna make sure we all get jobs in this and that.
There isn't a lot of shrinkage going on -- I wanna see the shrinkage because that's where the real entrepreneurial spirit and growth and dynamism comes from not by.
Promising to be all things to all people and Romney I think he did a very very flattering way in an upbeat way he was funny at times who was touching at times.
But it's the same old song -- Let me ask about that I'm new to politics somewhat -- that I never used to watch these conventions and now I see why it.
All this fluff.
Pardon my did gave momma rose.
We had the gift of unconditional love my mom and dad were true partners.
I found kinship with a circle of friends.
Mean is it unrealistic to expect of playing him.
And I don't this city.
Unrealistic I think.
The American people you've talked about the American people are grown ups they needed to be treated like her announced.
They can take the truth and frankly none of the politicians are delivering the truth is certainly we -- none of it at the convention.
I'm not political strategist either but I and I noticed in 2008.
That one of the things that make candidate Obama so popular was his positive message.
Hope and change and his call for unity and I I heard the word united united uniting unity unity and it was a generally positive message from -- -- him.
I think you know one of the other things to think about -- have Romney is not running necessarily on a positive program -- I will do XY and see.
What he needs to do -- to showcase two things in the first is merely to document how bad Obama has spent as president I mean.
It -- he inherited a bad situation and he made everything worse there is nothing good that you can say that's coming out of the Obama.
There you don't -- enough.
He had no idea what added Don't Ask Don't Tell the -- you know -- actually that's not a bad night they had what I'm saying though is that Obama has made things worse.
What Romney has to say is look at this guy we can't be worse than him.
And in fact I've had some successes in my life and I've been in the private sector not done this and I've done that and I've been a governor.
I do I continue to did the theme was we can do better it's like all he really has to -- -- I'm not going to be as bad.
Does sell the business executive part pretty well that one line I liked was.
We bet on ourselves -- -- went to base camp I started this business we bet on ourselves and our advice.
And then he lists some specifics.
Companies -- create help.
Preserve staples sports authority.
That makes it real on him I hope people get that.
Then it's a fundamental contrast with the existing administration that's you know you've got -- chief executive who's actually never created anything.
Certainly never anything in the private sector so if people are looking for a change now.
They're looking for somebody who understands the economy -- you've got to got -- spending gauged in the economy.
-- -- He talks about small business all the time all the Republicans did.
You know there's something wrong with big business don't pay -- other good things to -- politicians I mean we know this from the Bill Clinton years they have a lot of fetish is one of them that is more you know they talk about more publicly than others is a small business fetish.
Another is you know the family farm.
You never hear about people put him a friendly on dry cleaner stores but your family -- small businesses.
You know -- small businesses aren't the backbone of the economy most -- most big firms started at a small businesses the ideas that you -- small business that prison to a big business.
All business should -- should be treated equally.
It's true sports authority and staples they're paying they're OK they're dead though the -- and I get off Federer but again as long as they're giving customers something -- one at a price.
That everybody's happy and if they don't think -- to go ahead and allied government there is a real problem in the American tax code in an all kinds of subsidy programs whether it's a Small Business Administration or whatnot where small businesses get certain subsidies because they can't compete with the big guys and in the big guys.
By other subsidies you know end and this is part of the problem if you're starting to talk about small business sources big business sure compounding the problem.
What we need is a government that is not playing favorites and it's not singer -- your small business so we're gonna give you an extra hug and kiss we're gonna give you more unconditional love.
From the government than a big business Kelly what's a line you wish you heard from Mitt Romney tonight.
A line I wish I had heard I think I have to come back to the fact that it is the American people who are drivers of the economy that it's not going to be.
You know he said several times that we are going to help me.
We are going to help you and I assume that he means he and Paul Ryan and that's fine again if he means help me by deregulating so that I can start my own business helped me.
By reducing my tax burden -- reforming the tax code so that I can navigate -- more easily.
But don't help me with a handout that I don't think that we need to be talking -- government helping people anymore.
There are many audience members who liked the speech and were inspired.
By -- and are less cynical I guess and I am and most of the panelists.
Mark what line would you have liked to have heard from the ground I wish you would have said that it's his intent to disperse.
Power away from Washington DC and back to the people.
He talked about having faith in the people but he talked about everything I heard was about centralizing decision making Washington DC.
We already have that that's what both parties do and if we're gonna get a change is gonna come from the people at the local level in the states and in talking all about that.
I really kind of believes that these are small government guys Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney but -- -- barely hear it.
And without the specifics.
I wonder if I should believe it.
Well you know I mean I think Paul Ryan's speech last and another great performance and -- united I do think it matters people respond to that and they practice these speeches for.
Reason it had very good rhetoric about decentralize power about pushing things away.
But then when you look at the substance of his legislative record.
Were Mitt Romney -- it's not about cutting government it's not about cutting regulations it's actually about growing the size.
And scope of government of voting for things like the TARP bill.
Voting for me outlets left behind is specific about airport -- I mean these are all -- Paul Ryan's plan Patriot Act you know.
What he's changed he's grown area he's in office this two and a half weeks since he's I want -- as vice -- I -- -- believe that you know.
And in terms of the feeling of central.
Planning that I hear -- her nieces.
I have a plan to create twelve million jobs.
I mean why not eleven or fifth to -- -- don't.
Don't create jobs I don't want government creating anymore jobs got the government create.
-- OK got it signed in I think there are a lot of people who do.
Good work -- our government employees and they -- excellent at the jobs that they are assigned but at the end of the day you know every government job.
Takes about their for taxpayers to support so it's a situation where we want to create jobs in the private sector but Negron is not doing it lets you gonna start a new company or something -- My wishful thinking Jean says he means we're gonna deregulated that will create the jobs but what we will come back to that coming up.
To me the biggest issue facing America is that we're on the road to bankruptcy therefore on the road to serfdom.
Might Republicans take us off that road.
There were some positive signs this week and we'll -- -- -- Politicians talk about something in the past politicians almost all was avoided saying.
This explosion of debt is unconscionable.
In American government that continues to borrow money.
That -- mortgage the future.
When they say we have a due date to grow government even when we cannot afford it does it sound like compassion to Yale.
-- does it sound like -- reckless mess we have no other option.
But to make the hard choices cut federal spending and -- the -- -- reduce the size of this government.
Boy they sound serious but politicians have always promised -- and then spent more.
So mark this year to -- -- more convincing.
You know I hear from a wider course that people so I like that but I actually thought it was missing from Romney's speech so that concerns me the guy at the top really didn't talk about cutting the size and scope of government.
Well he did say.
We will cut the deficit and put America on track to a balanced budget.
Which is pretty weak beer yet and settle -- you know and Paul Ryan's budget which the Republican House passed earlier this year.
If everything breaks the right way.
You know the balance the budget will be balanced in 2040.
We don't have until 2040 to get this under control what we don't have to balance that we just have to this slow all the girls so the economy can grow fast -- -- -- by me in the Republican budget that would you know that was voted down would do that I mean we would go from spending about three point eight trillion dollars this year to spending four point nine trillion dollars in ten years that's like cut nanny thing.
And it's certainly not gonna you know I -- we can't cut them slack on that that's just it's out of control.
And to -- under two trillion just under Clinton that's right -- that's -- chaos yes so again I mean go through you know it's not even like we're talking with these these are people are talking about topping off a gigantic spending binge.
That's been going -- for twelve years.
Basically and they still can't bring it in their minds to just say you know what.
We spent three point eight trillion dollars this year we're spending three point seven -- Charlie next year and we got to get used to it because.
We blew it all on hookers and cocaine.
And now with the bills come due and we're not going to be able squeeze more blood out of the style and Romney's talking about bring in the government on the 20% of the economy.
But it was -- or under Bill Clinton's senate -- has slasher is about 18%.
Sadly the Romney wants bring it to 20% of spending of GDP.
But his own budget projections about specifics yet of course and and he'd rather than you know he -- I'll bring it down to twenty but he wants to increase defense spending.
He wants to increase Medicare spending he wants to make sure Social Security stays the same.
But he also says that I -- their their budget is -- they're gonna raise 18% of GDP in revenue.
So -- for as long as that's in place Ichiro have a 2% gap.
Of you know -- more deficit and you mentioned the.
The horrible Obama cuts and the sequestration.
-- here's this graph that shows the current plan of spending and the automatic cuts that would happen -- -- sequestration.
It's not a catastrophe it's not drastic cuts -- and it brings it down to for one year back to 2007.
Levels in more than we spent curing Vietnam in the Cold War adjusted for inflation and yet the Republicans seem united that we got to spend more on defense.
You know everybody's beholden to somebody in Washington DC so you have a huge defense lobby and they spend millions of dollars making sure these guys don't wanna cut defense.
So you're saying they're all prostitutes that they don't believe that's well I didn't use that word but yeah I -- about it.
He's saying that yeah that they're just bought off by defense contractors I think they really believe that we can bomb I ran and that'll work well.
And I'm in the bottom line is for for whatever the program is where they're talking -- welfare -- -- defense.
Americans from a common sense perspective understand you can't spend money that you don't have.
And they figured out because the games up now that you can't just keep printing money to pay for these.
You know the United States is already spending about half of all military spending around the -- it's like 45%.
We can reduce that and an increase our safety because.
You know the past decade of reckless and a very expense war's over console were console being told.
It's only gonna take a long weekend it's not gonna cost very much money that was all lies.
When -- Rand Paul was the one politician of either party -- Republican Convention of all places.
He said you have Republicans have to understand that every dollar that is spent on.
Defense is not necessary or spent well that's a message that has the sync and both parties because the Democrats.
Are you a big spenders on defense too.
This you -- when they're talking -- -- sort of a Truman and and Reagan these -- Cold War presidents Cold War is over Islamic threats are not X a snake.
And we -- naive here libertarians you wanna cut all this stuff.
These guys are professional politicians they know what works they're not saying in this may be if you say this you'll -- Are you I think it's so we can safely say we can bring the boys home from Germany.
World War II -- over a I hope so yes coming up we go back to conventional our special correspondent candidate.
As an interview with Ron Paul.
For the past week Kennedy has been our correspondent at the Republican Convention I ask her to try to cover what the mainstream media.
-- so she first checked out the anti capitalist protestors complaints about.
-- -- -- In these complaints about Wall Street.
Kennedy saw hypocrisy it.
I'm really feeling is snacks.
They all night united.
They all pumped their -- -- Chevron gas.
Stayed out of the corporations.
And -- -- -- they are really worried about environment look at a computer do you.
I used a five year old back.
And I Corp.
I know I see -- -- -- non corporate computer and I haven't seen my hand and I don't think so.
Kennedy dead they make any sense.
Cents a themselves the kids if either going to be the freedom lovers.
Want their own set of lines.
They really don't love freedom across the board -- -- their.
-- I hear there are there are people who call themselves anarchist there.
In -- calling for more regulation.
They -- they they want regulation on corporation and they want at their own form of government smothering.
Even though they they say there -- and they -- the pretty masks.
It's hypocrisy across the.
Our -- -- -- they were there weren't that many of them so let's move on because Kennedy also covered the convention.
With Ron Paul's success and mine Republicans.
Kept talking about.
Freedom and opportunity.
The party aren't really -- game we gonna agree to disagree on certain issues but the end of the day we have the right message and great team to win.
On Tuesday Ron Paul delegates tried to them at least nominates -- -- they hit pledge to represent.
For the Republican rule since the thank you need delegate signatures from five states Paul got petitions from the event at Minnesota native Iowa landscape.
But the party then changed the -- on the spot.
They -- delegates need petitions from eight states in other words it's like changing the goal posts in the middle of the game.
So Ron Paul made a brief appearance in the convention floor but.
Can he caught up -- them right before he left.
Doctor Paul congratulations on your campaign and igniting your supporters passion we have seen those delegates.
They clung so hard to their beliefs -- really fighting down their what did you say to them when you went on the floor.
Well it's mostly been pretty much social encouragement thank you and I love your enthusiasm.
Do your best and that sort of thing nothing.
No particular -- They're fighting for the soul of the party they wanna keep your message to live how do they do that.
Everybody has to do what they think they've -- that yes some people may run saying people in my support of the candidates something but it -- -- to study.
And that's what amazes me that you should go and study and they -- and they read economics.
And they changer careers and also I'm utterly amazed about what got what they do.
One thing Reid -- have another big passionate rent.
Thousands of people showed.
Few politicians get anywhere near this -- even run cool isn't certain memories so many coach -- Can't claim anything special -- all I can claim is our sincere interest determination and conviction.
That the spirit of liberty the principles of liberty and all that we congrats.
They're correct and I always say I recognize my shortcomings and I don't pretend that you know and the greatest speaker anything else.
But I am convinced.
May we pursue and follow up and -- -- a -- cause of liver that was given us an -- -- -- history.
We don't have to go back to the dark ages of authoritarianism.
Are we are the future -- -- -- -- we are the future.
Well a lot of people.
Thinking of that rally talk about young people they are the future Gary Johnson looked like -- except that the -- from you was -- yours to pass and are you willing to do that though.
I mean you can't pass anything -- you know -- support him.
I think he's wonderful and I he's doing a good job then people should look at him in every individual should make up their own line.
Okay yeah you wouldn't come out really and endorse Gary Johnson Gary Johnson for those of you don't know is the Libertarian Party.
The head of the Libertarian Party ticket.
Ron Paul has run as a libertarian.
Maybe -- Kennedy what do you think.
About it I.
Think that that he -- -- an endorsement but I think you're gonna see a lot of Paul -- have been disenfranchised.
At this convention by the Republican establishment they're gonna take a good hard look.
At Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party.
The -- I tell the press conference today outside and not -- and the Tea Party movement.
And other grassroots movements like Rick Santorum -- cool beans squash with these rule changes.
And they're not happy about it.
Are well I have -- -- and I'm OK with Santorum big squash but I didn't like Ron Paul being squashed and and his delegates there -- that where was there acceptance this is just part of the game may be.
-- Ron Paul's son Rand will carry on the banner or are people all were were they upset.
-- the delegates have worked so hard they were upset and inside.
To get him to speak on stage they get what ever they could to get him in nomination.
It didn't work and they were turned away.
Will they turn to Rand Paul will they turn to Gary Johnson.
Time will tell and it's up to the individual that's what Ron Paul.
Wanted to get across -- supporters they played a tape.
Ron Paul and afterward a lot of the Paul delegates just walked out protest thing.
-- did did the convention noticed that or was it a big things small thing.
No they they did notice that there is discord within the Republican Party.
They're trying to make it seemed like this is a completely united party and it's just simply not and we have seen the -- -- exposed this week.
And if Mitt Romney loses.
The party will does all the little bit it will have to reinvent itself.
I'm impressed that you can walk and talk among all those people and balloons thank you do it thank you Kennedy when we return.
We'll talk about the republic -- War on.
Our house Republican Convention coverage what -- people who care about.
Free markets and free people think of what.
We've heard let.
We have our all star panel again mark -- who founded the biggest Tea Party group.
Hadley he's from the independent women's forum and nick Gillespie from reason TV so.
It was dodged -- -- I've been hearing about the war on women.
-- wasn't exactly dodged right Romney did say some things about women.
I'm not sure he responded the best way possible he pays her reportedly Hendrick you're a letter I chosen will -- -- -- -- governor.
Half my candidate and senior officials were women it's just.
Awful -- he sort of buying into this idea that if he has.
An equal number of women on his cabinet as men that that equal outcome measurement somehow.
He doesn't hate women -- that he loves women but it's an outcomes based measurement and that's problematic -- He patting his argument on the terrain that the left has designs that we have to measure things based on outcomes instead of opportunity -- and by outcomes you mean what.
Well the parity is not equality so we see it laws like title nine -- tried CO.
You know just leaves many women I must say -- -- right and and we see you know attempts to equalize men's and women's wages which.
Aren't productive laws either because at the end of the day the differences between men and women's earnings are -- -- assault on women's choices and men's choices.
Not -- -- discrimination.
You work for the independent women's forum which I'm glad exists because for a while all women's groups were.
Big government groups and what's your response to this the Democrats say the Republicans are waging -- war on women because they want to restrict abortion.
Right Democrats are making huge mistakes when it comes to women two things first of all they're making the assumption they're working off the assumption that all women -- the same.
That women aren't voting block but that's not true women are 52% of the electorate.
Very diverse rural urban single married young old have a lot of different interests and secondly they are narrowing the term.
Women's rights as they have done for years and yours and yours.
21 issue and that issue is abortion when wet and women aren't -- right and women -- -- in so much more we don't sit around all day.
And think about abortion abortion abortion on women -- -- a word.
-- birth control pills and government has to provide that.
Well it's got if that's the argument that it's tough to afford and then it gives -- greater control or independents over their lives.
That I'm waiting for the government to give me a free car because that it if someone has the car she can get -- work toward job she can have a lot more independents and control over reliance.
Those are expensive I mean -- argument doesn't stands women you know how insulting in fact it's it's very insulting to -- -- campaign.
I mean that was insulting to sit back on my computer click it and a graphic that government Obama my commercial about -- truly -- my.
Her life right government at every stage of my life I have to say thank you Uncle Sam.
Thank you government because I'm a poor helpless woman and I need Uncle Sam to step and for me I mean that's paternalistic.
That's anti feminist and that's insulting to me -- a woman.
And mark you -- This war -- It's.
This is good team from the left that's been running for years Republicans or conservatives.
Have a war on women a war on minorities so Warren -- -- people war on children.
We've even recently seen the war on old people -- with pushing granny over the cliff.
These are just simple fear tactics and it's really has nothing to do with the real honest to god problems that are facing the country today.
Well you know I was led to put one of the reasons why this stuff was in their -- -- -- you that it took two word answer to -- a case.
But -- you know the Republican Party does not do well with women.
And in -- women are totally fooled by the Democrats maybe it's worth thinking about why there is a widespread perception that.
Republicans want to restrict abortion rights are if you care about that -- in certain forms of contraception and one not so.
I'm not saying that the Democrats have better answers I think you know freedom is the answer here and let people.
Figure out how they want to live and give them the white is slated to possible but the fact of the matter is is that you hear a lot of Republicans saying we want to restrict.
Or get rid of abortion completely I mean that's that's part of the sanctity of life argument that they're talking about.
Our live studio audience watch much of the convention and all of Mitt Romney's speech tonight so.
What do they think.
And what do you at home.
Think that's that.
Very very get away.
Mark Bakalar found the biggest Tea Party group.
Hadley heat from the independent women's forum and nick Gillespie from reason TV first from my FaceBook page on opinion own rights.
I hate -- it's like a scripted pep rally the minority voice is ignored silence no debate.
Meet hope I mean is that -- convention is post I have arguments about ideas.
I mean really the convention as an infomercial it's meant to be a pitch the debate comes when we have -- have 181018.
Million dollars taxpayer money if that they voted that we have to pay for this that's outrageous and we just shouldn't do that especially in these times.
-- let me go to the audience here yes sir.
I hear a lot of rhetoric from the Republicans about how they were reap the benefits of immigration and how their parents came in and now that they.
Are more given as -- -- only because of being immigrants in the US why aren't what I hear them singing in -- opening -- the borders immigration.
I you know I think that's it's a great point and it did you know this is the thing that's a frustrating not to Republicans the rhetoric -- sharp but the reality of their policies are terrible.
-- were you know Obama is the worst immigration president in memory he deported in three years he deported more people are.
Almost as many people as George Bush did and in eight years.
And Mitt Romney is long and now he has this amnesty program it's temporary short lived and it -- very few people with a total symbolic gesture when he realized he was losing the Hispanic vote which he -- he took for granted.
Mitt Romney's gonna lose the Hispanic vote to a guy who supports Mexicans you know like some kind of like horrible Spanish countries that war.
This is -- you know it's really disturbing the Republicans do not understand where the rhetoric comes from -- what it means they should be opening the border.
And saying anybody who wants to work here you're an American wherever you're living come live here now.
On FaceBook -- Allen says it's just more pandering more saying what most people want to hear I'll fix your problems if you elect me.
Why can't we get -- -- stand up and say Al restore liberty but -- -- your job to fix your problem.
Well a lot of people have already decided who they're gonna vote for right there's.
Every election cycle -- about 40% of people we're gonna vote for the -- forty on the right and there's this juicy 20% in the middle that everybody's after but I am curious.
-- -- Among those swing voters watches the conventions well being agreed the platforms to you know I think that -- that -- tune in for the debates.
But I I do think -- to sort preaching to the choir time to rally the base.
I understand it's you know.
It's kind of big circus.
But it wouldn't be a shock and a good thing to say no you individuals free people solve your problem.
I mean that's what I was looking for certainly in our politicians who are saying things like that we saw some of that in the lead up to Romney's speech.
Unfortunately not in his speech they're politicians like Scott Walker who were saying when they're gonna do -- and and actually do what they say.
We just need a lot more of that.
A lot about energy and achieving energy independence and learning free trade bring -- -- victory goals.
Yeah I mean I just I don't like the phrase energy independence and seems crazy to me where an interconnected world it's a global world we really don't wanna be energy independent.
You know the idea is we have a white -- as well or because -- we are in -- collect -- interconnected economy worldwide and we don't wanna cut off those nasty Canadians that's not what this is about right we wanna be her -- to follow and we wanted to phrasing other nations it's a very good thing.
It lowers prices it increases standard of living worldwide it spreads freedom and liberty so we -- to trade with the world are -- talked about it -- it give you energy independence to create jobs the right word is abundance we've got a lot of energy in this country and I think what he should be talking about is tapping all of our resources that's the real deal.
-- -- Lindsay brewers says is a libertarian I'm not a fall I gotta go with the lesser two weevils and Romney is -- He's the lesser of two evils well well yeah on the other hand she says maybe if Obama gets elected our party will be nominated next time.
I you know -- As a libertarian I'm small a libertarian I don't belong to a party got a lot of heat for my Republican and democratic friends to select how can you not float.
For one of the people who's supposed to win.
And you know I'm not the problem -- I've laid out at reason dot com today I laid out exactly what Romney in the Republicans can do to win my vote they can.
Cut spending they can cut the military actions and they can stop that you're trying to tell me how to live my life in my own bedroom you know they say they want -- visit us.
Out of the board room they got to get out of the bedroom to.
But you know they have to come to us I mean they didn't hear you were -- independent swing voters.
They've alienated these people both parties -- hear what most people want is to be left alone and to be given a stable framework of laws that they can predictably rely on to dispense small amounts of justice you've written about this that more Americans are saying I'm not a Republican.
I'm not a Democrat about three million people since 2008 have this affiliated with Republicans and Democrats and they're not not necessarily libertarian now they're not they're not but I mean but third third definitely not Democrats and Republicans anymore because you know they have seen.
You know the they've they've -- differences between these two.
And you know they've decided they need something no that's that's the future.
Thank you -- all of you panel thank you nick Natalie mark.
When we return I didn't might take when I wish.
Mitt Romney said.
Tonight's convention theme was believed that America.
That sounds so nice.
But it's a pundits and Mitt Romney's speech was filled with platitudes we will honor America's democratic ideals -- united to preserve liberty.
Building toward a better future it's all platitudes the whole convention was an infomercial not news.
Nothing much gets decided at these conventions there wasn't even any open debate at this want.
It's wrong that Democrats and Republicans collude to force taxpayers to partly fund these infomercials.
But since we help pay for it let's expand on the -- attitude believing in America.
Have there been an actual open debate at the conventionally might have also heard something like this.
Believing in America means immigrants who want to work can come here and work legally.
Believing in America means putting America on a sustainable.
That Romley barely mentioned anything about -- -- -- tonight but it is true.
At this convention we did actually hear some honesty from politicians about -- bankrupt future.
Our debt is out of control.
Where -- going broke.
We need to stop spending money we don't have.
Right but to really.
Cut spending means we have to slow the growth of Medicare and social security and military spending until we can't afford it all.
I didn't hear anything about that.
But leaving in America means individuals get to decide how to run businesses they create yes but not just their businesses their lives -- Who they -- what family means to them and what they put in their own bodies.
That means drugs should be legal and big cups of soda and gay marriage and gambling in fact once you're an adult anything.
But Republicans believe in that kind of individual freedom.
Since Republicans believe government should shrink so individuals are free to use their money -- they see fit doesn't that also mean.
They should be free to use their bodies as they see fit.
To believe that America is to respond when politicians say government solves your problems.
Cover -- trip tales but individuals succeed.
Then America will prosper if we let that happen and that means not doing what Republicans used to do hire more regulators and spend more.
And things like compassionate conservatism.
No it means keeping the peace and then leaving free people all alone.
So free minds and free markets can work magic.
That's the America I believe there.
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