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New details emerging about the Colorado movie massacre suspect James Holmes -- psychiatrist Linn -- Report -- warned the University of Colorado a buyout is dangerous behavior just weeks before the attack no action was taken.
Because he had withdrawn from the university joining me now psychotherapist doctor -- Lodwick doctor -- -- -- psychologist assistant clinical professor of -- college of osteopathic medicine.
This is a bizarre.
Series of circumstances but it appears -- -- psychiatrist.
Did.
Warren.
At least some people about his the threat that she thought -- represented.
Yeah I mean and if she did I you know than she did the right saying in the schools should have followed up.
Even if James wasn't a part of the institution if you feel that somebody.
Is a danger to themselves or others -- you have.
Ethical responsibility to follow through either to see that -- hospitalized.
-- to follow up because we know that people who are mentally ill sometimes drop out of school.
That doesn't mean that it's not the school's responsibility.
-- was still living on campus in campus housing right now once they were alerted -- hated team that they're called once they're alerted.
It is their responsibility.
And this is part of the terrorists off -- decision.
Where if you believe someone is in danger and not just to themselves -- a danger to other and a you have a duty to not only warned but to also protect.
The problem is we don't know what it is that she saw.
Maybe she thought he was just psychotic but was not a danger to others it hadn't risen to that level at that point we are in around so -- -- don't know what we'd all -- -- more information will come out.
But the university.
Some sources have said that at the universe that usually in these situations these circumstances.
Are resolved by your profession by giving a very high value.
To the individual's rights rather than society is concerned.
Now they've -- -- now.
Makes sense that confidentiality.
Is the most important thing a doctor can have with a -- not -- -- a value accounting energy ourselves yes I confidentiality.
Then must be broken -- if you believe that person is a danger.
To others and you.
And hospitalized you can have a patient hospitalized.
-- voluntarily.
Colorado has -- state law that permits involuntary.
Institutionalization.
Many states do not have.
And that's very it's -- -- but I.
I think we've seen enough with these shootings that you have to be extremely cautious.
What may be going on is of course you have to look at the rights of the individual.
Is this a person even who is -- if you have a therapeutic alliance relationship with that patient.
You want to.
That patient to be put in jail placed in -- hospital if they are not that sick so you also want to respect who they are and it's a balancing act but I would think with everything that has gone down with all of the shootings up to this time.
You really have to -- -- extreme is cautious seizure per.
Theft are your professional associations.
Psychological.
Or psychiatric.
All of -- various organizations.
To -- you would belong.
Professional and there are they responding to this because -- -- you know we have the reflexive you know Second Amendment Rights in the -- sort of you know running around.
With nonsense.
But the reality is that your professions.
Are they responding in trying to adapt to point is becoming obviously and more serious and very critical issue for our society.
Well I think that there's an awareness that if somebody is is claiming to be violent or dangerous.
We really need to take those claims very seriously.
And not be in denial so they're certainly is an awareness through education and our profession.
But we really -- screens we arch re ultimately it's somebody chaos danger -- you know that that you play on the safe side in terms of protecting a patient to themselves and.
And -- -- that I would think what the American Psychological Association American Psychiatric Association.
You know the AMA what perhaps needs to happen they need to go back into the schools they need to talk to the mandatory reporters who are the shrinks of all kinds they need to speak with the teachers and educate them.
About this whole idea of what we called the tariffs off decision.
I'll which was based on tariffs on vs the board of regents of California where a young man said that he was gonna hurt his girlfriend.
The psychiatrist went the psychology is actually warned.
The school.
Tried to warn the patient but didn't follow through on the duty to protect which is to band called the police and make -- That this person was debilitating.
Truth of the matter is we don't have all the information of what James Holmes told his psychiatry and -- -- yes so that's why I think it is it more of the discussion at this point.
It should be though because it irrespective of the the the details and specifics.
There has to be a responsible -- seems to me.
Of the professional search Haitians.
To begin to deal with this because what is going on now.
With psychiatrists and psychologists.
It's regional general workers and -- -- as.
They are not responding this is happening with two -- issue the point.
Why just I think -- -- recruits haven't within a college institutions so I think when it comes to all laws maybe we need to look at some of these institutions because the way they handle things that are of concern.
Is biased slightly different standard that isn't -- up your credit we are erratic process rather than a response yes -- out of concern specifically for the individual as well as.
The institution and broader since that's right we are -- -- vanguard so we must do more and I agree with you we've got to do more to educate the public and administrators.
Doctors thank you book and as always appreciated.
