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They workers could now be about to unionize after striking a deal -- the American Federation of Government Employees he is the question.
Exactly how does unionizing the TSA make us.
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He's the -- of the state of the unions he's up from me union defender and he frequently joins us on our program -- always a pleasure welcome back good to see.
Thanks very much -- you know my opinion.
I don't want unionize nation of government employees period don't like it I want you however to make the positive case.
A way to spell out from view is probably unionize -- of the TSA makes us Haifa.
Well first of all nobody knows a job better than the people doing it so it's absurd not for them for them not to have a voice a collective voice.
At the workplace in terms of of improving what they do.
Secondly unions for example firefighters.
Police its federal protect us every day -- in this nation are heavily unionized.
Big a lot of training from the union you know you talk about you do is going to politics and and analog outs.
More -- it goes to training their own folks look at public nurses all these people protect us and the project has better because they have boys and -- -- -- union.
What you contests the view that private enterprise does almost everything -- that more efficiently.
-- the public sector.
Com will look to find -- -- privatize the Pentagon.
Not privatize I -- I -- you can pick examples in the Pentagon will be a good long way you simply cannot progress I got that I understand that.
But -- all most other areas.
I would say the private enterprise is efficient and it is dynamic.
And it's simply does the job that than the public sector.
-- -- All of that is your toll searching years away from labor and I guess -- conceded that point which from unhappiness you know -- -- Arnold conceded that.
Well you know I I think that's an absurd argument.
To -- I know there's a big right -- push to privatize all services to get rid of everything to sell roads and sell prisons all hospitals so so corporate America can make more profits.
And contribute more to Republicans it's not gonna happen.
What makes this country great is a dynamic private sector and a very competent public sector.
Do you think that TSA unionized.
Will hold us to ransom would work stoppages if they don't get what they want.
Yeah I think they will just like the firefighters.
Sure just like the firefighters do every day around an OM -- -- enrollees you know that you know that there are rules about the police force their rules about 55 is when they can have it look act.
Action and when they can't.
No such rules exist at the moment how do you know -- we're not gonna get that back kind of -- stoppage in a security environment of the apple.
Because I'm sure there'll be agreements just like air traffic controllers.
-- -- you know Reagan skillfully took care of that thirty years ago.
What was the last time a public.
Workforce walked out of the job and -- the American public.
See I just wanna receive tremendous gas with the TSA in DC gun handgun get through in a -- in taxes there's -- item after item.
If a private company was running that they would be fired -- bring someone else and so it seems like they would raise the standard of work in the your ex that he worried about backed company getting fired bringing in another one if you unionized.
Government workers there's no fear.
That they're going to be reprimanded if there's the disasters we've seen lately.
I just don't think that washes and then -- is -- what I have so many in is that while we have so many incompetent firefighters are on the country -- -- I'm talking let's I mean you're the one -- wanted to stay on issue wanted to talk about the airport so let's talk about that.
I just don't see the argument that the private sector I know people like to make -- the private sector is never corrupt.
It'll say -- never I said that it in that company would be fired if we -- the problems that we've seen lately in the complaint.
That that company would be sent away another one would be brought it.
-- I've seen air traffic controllers were unionized.
Recently when they fall down on the job there's this myth out there that if you're union guy.
-- protected from incompetence and not doing your job that's just false -- factor better trained.
Construction workers for example have fewer accidents and not -- nonunion construction.
-- -- was -- it is it is heavily document.
The incompetence of some of TSA companies and -- us I mean there's documentation -- the wants to about this is not isolated incidents here and that is a frequent occurrence.
You -- companies.
-- I meant individuals that are individual examples of -- guns get through sleeping on the job theft I mean there are a lot of examples that.
Very -- help the American people it's just -- mean almost everyone has a hard story don't have to go very far.
No one degree of separation either you have been mistreated or poorly treated by them or someone close he has been and you -- water -- -- -- -- -- -- welcome -- -- wasn't.
Since you're mentioning security at airports.
When was the last.
Problem that polity we had an airplane in this country because of that I at this very moment I can guarantee if someone is on the airplane with a knife and and that they forgot to take out -- their there's suitcase that made it through I mean -- and have a lot of work to be -- I don't know what kind of training and going.
But I -- really afraid to be quite frank with you bill that they're gonna get to a point where they don't have to.
Answer to the public and that's the frightening thing for travelers and for me.
Yeah but it's just not the case I mean a lot of -- the reason the New York PDF fire department and everywhere around the country are so competent and sociology partly because -- union training.
Is there is what -- thing.
I was -- is a difference between defied a prominent new you all the police department in new York and what -- unionized TSA that is it -- difference much going -- My point is that unions are patriotic.
A lot of these folks.
In these public security jobs have military doctrines they care about this and now they'll have the benefit of voice in the job and better training time -- -- always a pleasure to have you with us coming -- soon thank you felt -- -- that --
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