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We were just discussing -- the healthcare ruling to Supreme Court green lighting big government and some saying that the president now is looking more mark.
Like the next fifty yards using my guest knows a thing to do about he's not a health care CEO -- so happens -- -- FDR's grants.
That's how self as James Risen -- -- good to have you back.
Great to be with you nail on this historic day you must love this right.
I think that what happened today is a major step.
In ensuring access to health care for the American people but a lot of people thought this was surprising.
To come from a Supreme Court led by chief Justice Roberts I think they're people who haven't studied history and seeing what happened in 1937 and 38.
When that it was because of the taxing power that the programs of the new deal -- have upheld.
No you're right about that I know the Supreme Court just the time in your grandfather both former New York governor's.
They actually -- a simpatico relations -- building on it was like a love hate thing but.
That was then this is now here's my feared that a now because -- go back to your grandfather then who have enormous respect we're going to be wrong.
But here's what happens -- Republican -- and democratic presence when we start.
Something -- good intentions it gets expenses.
Medicare starts out as a 65 million dollar program in 1966.
Or whatever it was and now -- a 400 billion dollar program.
Social Security when your when your granddad was starting -- it was meant to be supplemental income for a lot of people who became their sole source of income everywhere depended on it.
George Bush's prescription drug plan that started -- on a million dollars.
It's closing in on what the billion dollars -- Another words it gets out of control and odd that's what I fear here that did what went on -- we didn't learn from your grandfather warned about.
Just piling -- is that we're gonna pile money.
The experience we've had here in Massachusetts where we've had universal coverage now where everyone has -- has the right to -- have a family doctor for the past five years.
Is that cost -- actually begun to come under control our -- -- will definitely -- -- dealers that someone else's.
V that access part.
And the and the personal responsibility provision the mandate -- Mitt Romney's part.
We're now doing right now -- -- flavor and you could be crucial.
Crucial black -- he'd live he would like.
-- -- but you save implemented properly can work I guess I don't know enough about defied state that's going there.
But but I think it's fair to say from what we've seen already with this one of the big taxes in the fees and surcharges -- come.
-- damn well better deliver because it's going to be very costly and more costly as time goes on.
I agree that it has got to be executed well it's gotta be explained well.
And we've got a lot to do before it goes fully into effect in funny fourteen you are you encouraged always seen thus far.
I say as I say it's modeled on what we've done here in Massachusetts although it has its differences.
I'm encouraged by our experience here.
I'm encouraged by things like no but no co pays or deductibles for preventive care I know denial of care for preexisting conditions those sorts of things -- -- -- -- as they start is to get death panels but at historic his obesity panels are moving to Canada and I'm taking you with.
And I appreciate that doesn't.
And I I went out there are no death panels -- there -- obesity battles thank goodness okay good that a -- really.
Are dangers of a -- it's always a pleasure and an -- thank you very much.
Always I enjoy.