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Coauthor of the law and the Arizona law and many others Kansas secretary of state Crisco -- also joining us some Bert Burkhardt on the street -- Attorney -- -- and Balkans Hollander -- executive director of the national immigration form.
-- I think I should begin with you.
This is quite a victory.
For those who oppose the -- laws in in Arizona is -- where you see it.
Well I see this as you know who lost his -- the state of Arizona state of Arizona's economy is gonna come out on the business end of this as wells as public safety.
Already stared at the state of Arizona's -- over 140 million dollars.
And tourism revenue and when you talk to law enforcement on the ground outside America for -- especially.
They are worried about the implementation of this thought -- section to be goes into effect.
And local law -- police officer will MS is be getting it from both sides someone outside the ACL you'll be looking to sue the state.
And yes side -- -- saying you know what that person you just -- you to stop for Jay walking did you -- their immigration status if you didn't we're gonna sue you.
So at the end of the day the state of Arizona's economy and public safety really came out of big -- today.
That are after believe that you are struck by.
By -- compassion and concern for the folks in minerals on.
You know we all have compassion we are all struck sometimes by results but.
Let's speak candidly here that the Supreme Court issued got a ruling indicating of course that three provisions out of the four that were brought up.
Are struck down the remaining provision has yet to go into effect they reserve the right come back and revisit whether there's a preemption -- constitutional issue there.
Of course what as a lawyer I don't want to see more litigation let's just be frank and and discussing that element but.
I think this is a clear victory for the constitution for the American public and for the process going forward I'm sorry I have to smile about -- I was -- one of the few attorneys I've ever heard suggests that he or she would not be in favor of more of litigation.
Chris you're way you helped author this this Qaeda and others across the country.
This is this is a pretty severe crop and is -- It is and the U weapon in the sense -- of tool that law enforcement Arizona now have complete authority to use.
You know obviously I would have preferred something like what's Justice Scalia would have written saying all of the prisons the Arizona law are fully constitutional and not preempted.
But I'm I'm thankful that the one provision that the Supreme Court upheld was the biggest and most important and that is of course the arrest provision.
What that means is that every day thousands of arrests occur in Arizona and now when those arrests occur and an individual.
Is.
Believed to be unlawfully present in the country.
State local law enforcement act upon that belief and can communicate with the federal government.
And -- and the federal -- -- on vacation who and the federal government of -- communicate with.
Homeland Security just announced today -- withdrawn from the 287 G partnership.
There a partnership between.
Local authorities and the federal government in the enforcement of immigration laws.
This is.
Declaration it seems to me an outright declaration.
A war against -- numbers -- -- by the Obama administration.
-- it's it's a lawless act that congress in 1996 provided.
That these 287 G agreements where where you basically have as an agreement -- to operate between a jurisdiction.
And the federal government and where the federal government gives special training to the local off Chris I customer support -- this is what are what are they are running for somehow they're gonna don't.
-- well -- they didn't say that they wouldn't respond to a call from us a local a state trooper who says look you wanna take a vote here on this panel tonight and find out which of these have you gentlemen think that -- gonna respond do you believe they're gonna respond out of -- better -- not.
Tell you we've got a 287 G agreement here Harris county and it keeps the citizens -- the people hearsay I know it's controversial to some.
But when you're talking about individuals who are going to do regardless of what they look like -- where they were born in our jail system and getting screened.
Evenly.
I think that is a good thing to protect the individuals.
Of our country well there's our reason for them to withdraw on the program is -- -- if they were going to participate.
Look look clue what the administration did today is really just rescind a program that -- already rescinded had -- in essence it stopped using.
The administration using a program called secure communities which is statewide and Arizona.
And that that programs are in place so we're actually having a false debate the question here is do we want to limit when -- and you know what I like and with all due respect.
I don't know our children but isn't a lot of things but -- -- whether or not having a false debate but -- -- -- -- -- -- -- back.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 67 other jurisdictions out of 68 still have the 287.
G program.
In place untouched -- threatened by this administration but I think Brad Sears could secure communities just aren't as new security analysts say community.
Security area that I'm gonna -- -- speak but not until I go in March -- You just heard -- say how important it is and Harris County Texas and Houston Texas for that 287 G program.
And then you sit there and -- it doesn't exist this is the kind of the first of all -- I'm.
I'm shocked that you would respond in such way because it's not a false debates are it's a false statement on your part.
No -- and secure communities and is and I'm not talking about Flickr community so so secure community and by the way it's also something that your organization the national immigration forum.
Yeah as resistant as well you don't want to carry don't -- people -- we want to take any level.
No now Lou now now now we're in our vote on that now you're gotten a going beyond -- line here.
We -- favor enforce it did you want to see if we want to see public say the public safety and improved across the -- in the problem with the Arizona law.
The problem here is our allies that Arizona or -- or just -- Did with the problem with SB ten semi section -- that is that it pushes immigrants away from public safety officers so we talked to 44 former state attorneys general when you talk to local law enforcement.
Who looked at the -- who actually enforced the law they look at SB 107 in section two in particular and say.
This is tomorrow and a half -- salon -- we're gonna have -- continue the conversation.
