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Last Richard nearly a million people signed a petition oust the governor on the phone now and joining in their outcries -- Robert Craig executive director of citizen action -- Wisconsin.
Thank you so much for joining us today we appreciate -- I know there's a lot going on there.
Margaret -- where -- you currently.
President Obama had done more to support the cause I mean I understand he tweeted he didn't he didn't stop I would that have -- -- help or hindrance.
I think it might about a help especially with African American turnout because that's going to be critical in Milwaukee but overall this is that this -- really -- not a movement about leaders -- Fitzpatrick got modern movement based on social media -- -- -- a charismatic leader so I think it might have made.
Some difference but Clinton commenting I help a lot I think on Friday but -- -- mostly about turn out you know of our base of the democratic constituencies.
And it's -- turnout election are both sides I think it would help a little I don't think it's gonna be despite that.
Why do you think he didn't do that -- I think it's a trouble figuring out how to position themselves regard to the uprising that occurred about some and so he's got he's concerned about our deep concern about how -- -- compared to how he has framed -- presidential reelect.
I think that's a mistake -- I think the future of the Democratic Party in many -- I depends upon having a strong healthy labor movement so I disagree with his political handlers -- back.
But you're right you've you've become that would content a lot and told the uprising began last year and has all become -- want to stand in the with a quick get -- So at the recall doesn't succeed do you think that he suffers.
-- -- -- Some of the -- poll that showed walker with a narrow lead also showed Obama leading got so it may not you have got direct -- -- but there's no question it will embolden.
Concerted in the state it'll be very good supporting the progressives and labor supporter -- we allude to that start.
Idea -- some impact -- a big battleground state but November is a long way away quite frankly.
How the blow has been to unions across the country what is going on -- and and if in fact they recalled doesn't succeed how big a blow is that.
Well I agree with what Neal said that this is a very big deal for labor.
And that other state governor will be emboldened to follow -- pattern at a lot of the people investing out of state.
In walker sixty is sort of money without a state money thirty million dollars are hoping to spread to other states it's part of a national strategy and so -- walker looted I think a lot of Republican politician or wanna -- on this path others might be emboldened -- to do it order wrought on this kind of platform and then do it later and so.
I think it really had about a national.
Debate about whether we're gonna have a strong labor movement then in my in my the strong middle class because I think that's crucial to the labor -- to do that and so yeah I think it's a huge national -- looked like both sides to talk about that this election.
About the fact that in one month.
The second biggest -- union in the state this -- and -- county municipal workers lost half its members when members have the option.
To not -- in the union and say that they didn't wanna pay -- union bills half of them chose not to 34000 said they didn't want to be in the union anymore.
I mean to me that means that maybe people don't wanna be unionized and long.
I would characterize -- differently that's not up was such that it was -- a very hard to certify a union at all you have to get.
A majority of all the members which of course -- be like try to get majority of the electorate not just the voters.
And I asked me in both cases did the -- -- level for example that even try to certified so the members didn't have actually since certifying.
What else we chose to do is to function Morton association.
And doctor Q to have members pay dues directly to the -- so I wouldn't see -- -- a reference taken place if you saw what happened on the streets about a sudden.
And the protest movement a million signatures they're they're very strong -- Barbara labor movement it was concept but of course it's matched by a brief strong concerted movement which yeah.
We have that's probably too close to call election tonight.
But -- the fact that I'm in states across the country not only in Wisconsin can't meet their pension obligations.
And they have no way to pay those bills to address that over time because we come to this crossroads.
In America we're seeing in California we're seeing in New York -- and states across the country where we can't meet these obligations.
What's the solution.
Well it's actually not an issue in Wisconsin we have one of the strongest and most for most financially sound pension systems in the country so that's actually not what are the motivations but in general.
You have if you would -- in public service says you have to look their taxation system produce sell and certainly states shouldn't make commitments that they can't keep long term but patient -- to do that I think I think that the problem as inspector.
In my mind public employee to become the scapegoat for something -- not their fault.
And we should be really concerned about having an economy where everyone has access to pensions and good and get good retirements and we've lost that the private sector.
Announced and possible that -- sort of scapegoat public sector unions that's still how something that every American should -- OK Robert -- you say the answer is to raise taxes if I heard correctly and I think people are voting on that.
Tonight we'll see how it turns out -- you so much for joining us we appreciate it.
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