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Dot -- call thank you very much politics now some say.
It could end up setting the tone for the presidential election and voters are heading to the polls tomorrow in Wisconsin.
To this recall.
Election of the Republican governor Scott Walker with us now of the former Republican senator.
Can you talk for a -- democratic senator from North Dakota we have Bob Bennett Byron Dorgan are both with the sit today both policy advisors and -- -- have -- -- -- to -- in the past always been a great discussion on whatever the issue is today.
And senator Dorgan let me start with you Wisconsin do you agree with that characterization that people made that this election this recalled Scott Walker.
Is somehow way -- a proxy for how things in ago nationally in November.
You know I really don't I don't think it's a tone -- our proxy for anything I think it's a judgment about the people of Wisconsin.
Making about the governor Scott Walker do they want him to continue word they want to recall him and and -- put in his place -- -- Former mayor of the mayor of Milwaukee.
-- the mayor of Milwaukee is running.
Against Governor Walker Tom Barrett.
Senator -- how -- you do you see this is some sort of I get it that I tone -- as has been.
I suggest -- is -- about local politics because the unions recover this the route the unions and collective bargaining and everything in Wisconsin but you know.
Around the country to people are talking about these issues role of government role of union's future of organized labor.
Well I think it has more to do with these latter items you've just brought up than it does with the presidential campaign -- There may be an indication and there are some saying that.
If governor Walker's survives that will put -- Wisconsin and play and that Mitt Romney will have a chance of carrying it.
The real issue there I think in political terms.
Is a test of the power of organized labor they have put everything they possibly can into this effort.
Money muscle organizational effort and at least.
They're real clear politics average of polls says they are losing right.
The other thing that's happening that I think has long term consequences for -- organized labor -- Scott Walker does survive.
Is the survival of the idea that public service unions or a public employee unions can continue to do dot.
Ever since the Wisconsin thing that walker put in that got everybody excited on the side of the unions has been in place.
By the tens of thousands of members of the is employee unions have been refusing to have the state deduct their dues so -- Huge loss then senator -- is very long term and yes if they don't win this regatta got the recall.
Senator Dodd Dorgan but they if they don't -- senator -- suggests -- this is a huge loss for you organized labor.
And their movement yet.
Yeah I mean I see it differently and in and it's simpler way I think than my friend Robert -- first of all I think this is a governor that took a hard right turn.
When he assumed office and he began to scapegoat labor in.
Who organized workers public workers in Wisconsin which I think was a big mistake but having said all that.
This is not just about big labor the -- involve there but about the Coke Brothers and the massive amounts of money that are coming in from the outside from fringe right groups.
You know this again I said this is not a tone -- a proxy for anything it's a food fight in Wisconsin.
And I -- personally see the -- -- having made a very significant right turn and trying to scapegoat pub the scapegoat public workers that's what I think looks like thrown at this point looks like he's gonna survive at least this.
I think it's too early to know that either polls are very close they're -- been -- touched on all sides of this but I will say I mean -- -- -- the people Wisconsin.
A lot of that'll depend on how many on turnout obviously in the future can get the can get their voters to the -- the senators both the view senator -- Dorgan as always thanks -- -- -- back constant again.
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