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To break down the president's shift on same sex marriage is new position.
We're joined by Tony Perkins is president of family research council of the country's leading social conservatives Doctor King Pamela leading psychiatrists Fox News enter.
-- -- thanks for being here.
Up when we talk about evolution of primate doctor -- -- I just like understand.
Evolution -- -- mean that he thought about it over a period of time and came to a conclusion this word evolution sometimes -- confused.
Well taken in general sense short people's positions sometimes evolve they get new data in.
They come to believe different things.
I firmly believe.
From a psychological.
That the president doesn't evolve in that way.
The president plays a game of cards with us he keeps his cards close to his vest.
He doesn't as I've said before on your program would have much admire our culture but he can't tell us that because we might hold -- come forward.
He tells us he loves us and then he apologizes for us abroad.
He may very much have always embraced same sex marriage but he felt the Dick calculus is -- well.
The -- here.
Won't appreciate that and so he doesn't tell us necessarily what he thinks he evolves.
Toward the truth sometimes.
Doctor -- issues two words that that make me think of the evangelicals.
-- that for the evangelical you are -- evangelicals you represent.
About the flock and talking about law of where do you.
How do you feel about this evolution and and what will be its impact on evangelicals and their embrace if you will.
A governor around.
I'm not so sure you have -- -- on this issue I think it might in -- might be a suggestion that those who don't agree with the president -- neanderthals.
But I think when you look at what the president is done here I do think there was a calculus a calculus in terms of playing the media and raising money from the left coast.
Cultural -- But when you talk about the voters I mean the president may have decided to walk down the same sex marriage I'll but the voters are going whether.
As you pointed out -- number of polls out after the president made his decision 26% said they're less likely to vote for him.
You're only saying about a third or more depending on the poll that actually support the idea of same sex marriage.
When people going to the polls in they vote on this issue.
It's been overwhelming 32 states that it had the opportunity to vote on this all 32 have said no we're gonna stick with the traditional.
Definition of marriage.
And is -- by small percentage was 67% on average two big issue.
And at the program -- Lou Lou I wanna tell -- that if some psychology in the background of this same sex marriage issue that doesn't relate fewer sexual orientation.
Children growing up in same sex households by definition.
And less the donor.
Of -- of sperm or Obama.
Is known which is unusual.
-- -- that's the case these kids don't know their biological parents now we don't know the psychological impact of that at all and we need the data.
We really do.
Isn't it interesting and in psychological area when -- -- feature on this issue Bershard psychologically obviously doctor.
We are a generation.
That it is making all sorts of decisions -- our elected officials to make decisions on debt.
That reaches for generations now.
We are making public policy it is you suggest here on the adoption.
Without an understanding of the psychological impact what that would that affect -- have on their conduct and behavior.
And we seem to be doing so -- somehow we've been inspired.
On high to do so it's it's rather remarkable.
The the manifestation of our disregard for successive generations as.
And it's the -- -- -- an inspiration from on high which which suggests that you would empathize with and care for others this is narcissistic.
I feel like get so I'm going to do it no matter what the science might show and we need the data.
But the bottom line is -- how did we decide that kids are just -- to grow up absent.
Their biological parents because wide because we love each other well three people can love each other so polygamy.
-- to be close behind -- of same sex marriage and not believe that three people can fall in love which they absolutely can.
-- -- I use the word divine do you -- An opening to to make some judgment as to where we're headed in this country.
Your thoughts as we wrap up here.
Well well I can't give you a Psycho a psychological analysis and I'm -- much -- that's quite shocking travel -- -- go ahead we'll joint revenue practice here to get where.
Well what what I can tell you is from the data -- we look at the cost of the breakdown -- -- we focus on the economics and a lot of our public policy -- 112 billion dollars a year as a result of the demise of the family.
You cannot devalue.
The role of -- mom and a dad and not impact the life of the child.
And as a result the social cost that are associated with it.
This is an experiment that we don't wanna have in the president is pushing on Americans who were reluctant.
And now hopefully this election will lead turn the tables on this issue a convert -- -- were way over time but -- got.
I ask you this and I'm gonna ask you both -- -- -- continue the conversation.
But why isn't this being discussed in the national media the these the data point that you just raised in terms of an empirical basis.
But we're talking about dollars and cents -- we're there we're also talk about.
The in the psychiatry and psychology.
These social impact here it's not happening and and by the way governor Romney is not talking about the family.
With great with great passion.
-- and directness.
Well -- limited answer that we build -- solve all.
Go go ahead -- travel well I think we're we don't and I -- I have more have more time for one reviewer and -- you're looking please go -- Garnett are right -- I'm gonna try to get one well around the felt if -- Look what's happening is the president is playing to the media leak in the -- -- on the left coast he's ignoring the folks in the middle.
The media is all in for the redefinition of of the family and of marriage.
But voters every time they speak speak very clearly the other direction I believe this election whether the politicians -- -- -- not.
It's -- -- the marriage is going to be an issue.