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Former CIA Operative Mike Baker on the continued debate over enhanced interrogation techniques.
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OC and his joint stock mortgage -- and good morning sir thanks very much -- -- and I ask your master when -- -- -- told -- W -- near or Covert operation -- Russia yacht yet you have we will we've been going back and forth on that for awhile it's it's a you know it down.
Yet you -- I've got a very good -- with -- all outfit and and part of that is because I don't talk about.
-- -- -- -- Suffice to say it's it's a fabulous place to.
To have a career.
The CIA and it's it's just it's chock full of people are doing terrific work every -- it's all.
Somebody -- -- -- on neighborhood do their marriages all I don't know yeah a couple of different sides are and it's not necessarily sometimes it's not necessarily disagree on the operations side it's not conducive to a happy -- -- -- because you.
EU can be away had a long stretches of time.
-- can be difficult -- the that this spouse to understand what exactly it is that you're doing.
You don't talk about it it's not a place to go and work if what you need is a big pat on the back every -- on an affirmation of what you're doing you do it for other reasons.
So all which brings manager of the sky Jose Rodriguez who's going to be on Amazon.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- About interrogation technician what happened and how -- -- all.
And help me out here because law I don't pretend understand but.
There's leader just said it's of those -- talk about all the talk the better and Kenya is talking a lot of bond.
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I mean everybody makes -- wrong decisions Jose isn't it terrific guy very Smart very tough.
And was really taken a poignant to the spirit doing a lot of thirds of global war on terror after nine elevenths.
Made some very tough decisions over the course of time.
We have at at at the -- there's that the publications review -- so and nothing gets out in public and and and Jose is a very honorable person so you go through a process when you decide you want to write something.
And believe me -- a lot of people that go through your material and woods with a very sharp -- Sold this nothing in the book that.
You know will home in a sense upset the agency because they've they've had a chance to review it make sure that he's not revealing sources and methods.
-- -- into areas they shouldn't.
Market -- there's so there's a popular conception amongst some folks.
That.
There's enhanced.
-- and interrogation.
Techniques.
Doesn't really produce and valuable information -- them and -- -- just an out that if you were to torture manage.
Our tell him not only what you wanna hear what I've done in the dirt path that's a some of those just make it out so -- but.
Have sought apparently he thinks it doesn't what are your second you know it does it's not -- black and white and now prize.
You know so.
It is sometimes -- works sometimes less so.
But you can't take it out of the tool back completely and in what happened early on was.
We lost.
The argument to the last.
When they took the ground that said you're either talking to a high value detainee and having a nice discussion.
Or you're torturing -- and there's nothing in between -- -- of course there's something in between this and enhanced techniques.
That don't deal fall in that category of torture.
You know yes if you whack somebody over the head repeatedly with a two by four they may say whatever they need to say to make you stop whacking them.
But at the same time it is irrefutable that we we got.
Significant information from some of these techniques and and from a -- and remember these things were used very sparingly.
And I think one of the things that surprised a lot of people who took the time to pay attention when documents were released about that interrogation program.
Was how deliberative process was how careful the dialogue was back and was saying can we do this no you can't OK can we do exist there was discussion constantly.
About what couldn't couldn't be done and I think that surprised about people left of course chose not to talk about that part of it or -- from our proprietary Boehner thanks.
As torture and and then there's man not burning and learn Connell.
Preventive -- almost a -- well.
-- well it's not it's not.
It's -- -- comfortable -- designed be comfortable now I'll be talking about a very very limited number of high value detainees.
And you know Odyssey to like tariffs are comfortable I don't and I really don't give a crap.
So you know I think that it was it was very important and what was done.
The idea that somehow we stumbled upon bin Laden and and it's hard to believe that we're at the one year anniversary point.
But taking him out but it's it's it's amazing to some people think well we just stumbled on there were eight or nine years.
Of incredibly painstaking laborious work -- took place by the CIA by the military by a variety of people out there working constantly and part of that was.
The ability to pull information.
Out of -- -- you know some of these very valuable to.
