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Should TSA Repeal its Pat-Down Techniques?

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    Former TSA Administrator Kip Hawley on the steps to improving airport security.

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-- says the pat down procedure should be repealed air travel should would be a lot safer he says if we instead focus on disrupting new terrorist -- joining us now is the man who was former leader of the transportation.

Security administration.

Kip -- he's the author of the new book permanent emergency inside the TSA.

And the fight for the future of American security -- great to have you -- this and and congratulations on the new book we've also got a link to your new book on on Lou Dobbs dot com for anyone who wants to go their turn to -- from out.

Let me ask you first how do you react to an agency that says that its agents were following proper procedure.

-- they basically.

I mean.

They assaulted this four year old cat.

Well I -- the answer that says we followed procedure because it never answers the question.

And it's just kind of an infuriating response I think I think that they parts of all I think they should repeal pat down as as you mentioned.

And in that situation there needs to be able bit more judgment given to the officers on the scene.

Who don't feel obligated to do something because this is -- strict operating procedure if you seen the whole thing.

They should really be doing risk management and evaluating whether there was risk in that situation.

And and that's.

It's it's just a terrible thing to have the news every night.

Give us this permanent emergency where we've just go from crisis to crisis and airport to airport where these things happen.

You know what's expect to be extraordinaire practice is that every time we've gone my wife -- I've gone through security.

We've never had a problem.

And yet these idiotic.

Things that are happening.

There's got to be your reason for and it's gotta be.

It's gonna be manageable and it's gotta be taken care.

What can be -- Well first of all the pat town has been in place long -- and if you can if you need to do it for an emergency in November of 2010 because you may have a bomber in the system.

I can understand that but.

A year and a half later they need to have moved onto more sustainable.

Solution like using Trace detection.

And the second thing is that it is overly regulatory they just have standard operating procedure that is too complicated.

And they need to just give a little bit more.

Training and a little bit more latitude -- the officers who know they -- more travelers and anybody on earth.

And to do risk management there at the checkpoint as opposed to.

Followed -- strict -- so big.

-- I've I've got to ask you this question.

Would you be surprised if a group of passenger who's watching an agent -- down a four year old and and and making her cry hysterically.

-- in our monetary that your I'm surprised that passengers didn't go over and stop that.

And he bothers me that we -- Americans are putting up with this kind of disrespect and abuse of our fellow citizens at the hands of any -- There is respect and regard for long law enforcement but when we have moved to the level we haven't within certain folks at TSA it's time to say.

Well I think it is time to say enough but not to take it out on the officers I think that.

That is also the the problems -- officers don't like it anymore the lucky -- And -- end and the policy needs to be repealed so that the officer is not put in the position of moving.

His hand up up the congressman's -- And nor the congressman in the position having somebody feeling up there it it's it is Washington needs to fix the problem.

And get those officers out of the position where every time they do something like that.

It it's a disaster if you've got -- Who are if forgive the expression so woefully inept.

Is to not recognize AUS congressman.

And the and eleven years later we haven't come up -- way in which frequent travelers those who are known to be safe secure.

-- and in some instances authorities themselves.

This is stupid this is stupid government at its worst in my opinion.

Well I -- I'd take it one step further and say we should do that for everybody great because why are we having these prohibited items of of Swiss Army knives are tools or baseball bats.

You're never gonna take a plane over where that stuff and -- spending time whether it's a frequent -- congress from a Supreme Court justice served four year old.

None of those people should have their bags.

Fish around in the look for those things that are not threats that -- -- we focused on explosives and we all know it's all about show it's got nothing to do with real secure.

Well the the real security is the explosives and -- and -- maybe guns.

And TSA does a good job staying ahead and connected with the you do with the intelligence agencies they just haven't gone back and pulled out these other things.

That need to be left behind because the vulnerabilities aren't earning more what about private security.

Just simply say you know that's -- we're dot.

Well if -- were real private security which means that you open -- it for -- open up for innovation.

And some new ideas as opposed to what is -- our call flow into the -- privatization.

Which is just taking the TSA thing paying the surcharge to a private sector company that that's not the private sector we need some competition.

-- innovation.

And and that's what needs to be changed not just say oh let's exchange TSA people for.

Basically the same people paid by a private sector company and in one of the rules are probably should be put in place that anybody who's ever been associated.

With the federal government should be able to bid on the contractor to thing.

Well I don't know about that as you probably might lose a lot of military -- I would just test okay will exempt the military of that.

Are you well I won't be involved in that business all pledge of that and an end to take any political -- maybe.

But I have -- throughout the sick and tired of the so called.

Revolving door.

The -- one had to be -- a policy I'll be there with three contracts you know within five years -- Well look I'm I'm totally with an end and maybe in the sector in a volatile -- is as well.

But it know it needs to be security professionals.

That are figuring this stuff out -- to TSA may be and say here's what it is -- we're gonna we're gonna go with it and and a lot of it could look like Israeli security and I think what it would do is get the American public.

Back on board in the security business -- right now it's totally fractured and that -- -- -- of GSA.

Installer should he resign.

Now now now he he's he's he's got all he understands address his problem is he's got this enormous agency.

With all these rules I tried to -- take -- little scissors are -- -- prohibited items.

Art.

We're we're gonna have drug got a governor we've gone way over -- I appreciate all I'm sorry no you're not if it's a fascinating subject and I think that we all wanted to hear what you have to -- -- and appreciation during and by the way.

I gotta say it's -- -- the kind of candor your bringing to the issue and hopefully some.

You know someone's listening they can make a difference we appreciate -- -- Thank you -- take care to author of the book permanent under emergency inside the TSA the fight for the future of American security for more on the book go to Lou Dobbs dot.

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