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'The Coming Collapse of China' author Gordon Chang on the implications of North Korea's rocket launch.
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Now you know what's the opposite of the giant -- -- let's talk about North Korea for a minute here they expected to go ahead.
With the launch of this -- rockets at the north Koreans claim this bill to carry a satellite into space.
If the window for this kind of thing opens up tonight and did Jack comes with great condemnation of course from a global community that's concerned with north.
North Korea's potential a nuclear program.
Delegates from the ruling Workers Party is scheduled to meet today and the new leader in the nation Kim Jong -- Is expected to inherit titles once -- -- father Kim Jong-Il.
Gordon Chang is author of nuclear showdown North Korea takes on the world he joins us now what we need to do to stop this by.
The first thing is really to have the sanctions -- the Bush Administration put in place in 2005.
And prematurely lifted because Beijing wanted us to do that.
And if we awarded cut North Korea off from the financial -- that would be good we also need to sanctioned Chinese banks that have been involved in North Korea's sale of ballistic missile technology to Iran.
That would sort of make Beijing sit up and take notice.
Let's back up for just a second and talk about what might happen if the the launch takes place in terms of the string of events after that and people that analyze the situation like you don't by the fact they're launching it road ahead into space we understand that.
What would happen what is the biggest fear in your mind.
Well the biggest fear is that the Iranians see every week response from the United States in the international community and then they see that as a big Green light for their own missile in particular ambitions.
These two countries are joined at the -- they've had a joint missile and nuclear program for more than a decade it's been backed by China so this is really important for the United States this get serious about what's going on to China and Russia have spoken out against this test right.
Is that just noise I think it's just noise because neither of them is willing to do what is necessary to change North Korea's behavior they're not changing the incentives for North Korea which means that basically -- -- is going and doing the same things it's done in the past.
And so I think that these statements from Moscow and Beijing.
Are really just sort of to convince us that they're on our side -- is the United States doing they're willing to do what you think is necessary because our relationship.
With the Chinese is also I would think a pretty big part of this is well -- were pressured by the Chinese might say now we're not going to be as tough on them -- some people want.
Right you know the Bush Administration really place more emphasis on integrating China into the international system and stopping North Korea.
And so we've done neither of these things and so we've got to change course.
The Obama administration is probably gonna go to the Security Council and get another resolution or a week presidential statement.
And that's not gonna do anything to change North Korea's behavior we -- -- create incentives for them.
To stop doing what they're doing now.
Do we keep do we have the ability to at least leverage the situation with and that country and what's happened with the new leader has Kim Jong-un.
Consolidated power yet and does that give us some leverage and -- well there's always leverage when you have a transition Kim Jong -- has not consolidated power.
He'll get two very important titles this week at that workers' party and also the national defense commission but that doesn't mean very much because that was scripted before Kim Jong-Il died.
It's always to deceive Gordon and -- today and thank you.
