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I wanna move on to the corporate front because Pepsi big name company we all know it.
Making changes at the -- may be lining up a new chief executive.
It or nobody may be on the way out now -- number please that was great friend -- that when she was first appointed because of a race and agenda.
Business strategist tower down now is -- welcome back some good see you again thanks for having me all right you've been on the program many times arguing for more women in the boardroom of major American corporations.
Now what do you think is happening a one of the consequences of what is happening at Pepsi tell us.
Well I think for ingenuity in new he Abbey's he -- -- and challenges their stocks years have fallen so that's not a good obviously not a good situation.
I don't think though the fact that they came out and to this fanfare about her race and her gender.
I think that was more about -- PR that was more about marketing.
Because that is -- media and what I mean -- -- media as someone a marketing professional.
Is whenever you have an opportunity issue a press release and had to pick up by the media and you're not paying for the advertising.
That press release gets picked up by magazines television shows that's free public city so they really where marketing her more from next.
-- I doubt that it wasn't offended that that's interesting it's very happy to have fresh -- -- not told that before that is free media and that's what they -- offs that's what they got they're getting it right now but didn't.
Did they look for one of them that they're getting it happens is bad news semi she didn't do but -- -- still well saying the name is is down even with a novel published is the public and her head and it is easy.
Do you -- you saying.
That it is a plus automatically applause when a woman from a minority group.
Goes to a very top job and American business is automatically.
No I don't believe it's automatically plus obviously people have to bring something to the table and any you look at -- -- Background -- her resume in her credentials she certainly brought something to the table -- -- -- -- she's not assume that in the on the -- secretly -- people but people transfer from different industries all the time -- your credit top level at its upper -- in any industry -- legal skills are transferable business is business.
Up primarily and obviously there's some caveats to that statement.
But I think from a large -- the bigger perspective on this issue I do believe your argument is that -- -- solely be based on merit -- problem I have with that argument is that.
We're not solely based on -- in the society we're not this utopian meritocracy that we believe ourselves to be.
There -- many people get jobs because they know someone near the son -- -- order of someone okay.
Is it an ideal.
He's he's he's a position based on merit the idea okay maybe doesn't will -- practice every time -- sure that that's a pretty good ideal to -- -- certainly certainly is an ideal.
But when you have a situation where you have all of these companies we're at the upper echelons -- solidly white male that means it did charles' point in a previous show previous salad that means that you're saying that they're no qualify women know qualified minorities to take those positions the reality is people.
What I've learned in business very quickly is that business is based on relationships and relationships often -- One's abilities I've got thirty seconds you get ten seconds last -- -- I think that's the point you know people comfortable rather comfortable with go to -- -- in this country.
You know most churches are very segregated even though people practicing the same religious.
You know you just mr.
opportunity to label me as part of the -- Prevent.
You wanna take him up on that your heart out now.
-- that out of one.
Thanks so much have been -- -- eventually a perspective on a -- interesting story pencil.