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Times big government just grows bigger every day with new plans -- take away more of your personal freedoms and civil liberties even -- guaranteed right in the constitution.
My next two guests are veteran freedom fighters who were brought -- -- fought the party machine and both come to the same conclusion.
There's little difference between Republicans and Democrats today.
Joining me now to discuss is the president of the of the future of Freedom Foundation -- -- burger.
And the chair and founder of the -- institute Lew Rockwell gentlemen welcome here it's always a pleasure is big government here this day.
No I don't think so I mean if if we do nothing it's here -- -- and it bit metastasized -- -- the cancer.
But it all it's all based on people's consent.
If Americans refused to consent.
If they stop allowing this to be happening.
The number of -- -- the government's much smaller than the people they can't actually carry it out.
This is why of course there's so much attention paid to propaganda this is why the truth that you and others put out.
Is so essential to getting people to say.
Stop -- heck with that they're not gonna feel me up at the airport -- -- organize the torture people -- Guantanamo whatever the other horrible things the government is doing what.
Will happen if we have -- left with a choice among the major party candidates of Mitt Romney and Barack Obama I have argued -- in your free to disagree with -- if you want of course.
That they are closer to each other than either of them is to Ron Paul or any of that founding fathers.
Well is not a dime's worth of difference between me and -- look at the warfare state or the welfare state.
And they except the fundamental premises of both systems.
Franklin Roosevelt's new deal Lyndon Johnson's great society.
The big empire overseas they both share a commitment to that.
As compared guess libertarians where the game changes we want a new paradigm in the free society what would happen Mitt Romney -- -- -- change that.
What would change if Mitt Romney became president from the way we see the government now.
Things would be worse what we -- is even more warm longer than that Obama is the criticism that the criticizes Obama for not killing enough people in Libya.
He criticizes Obama for not immediately killing everybody in Iran.
There is no question he's if you look at his neo conservative foreign policy advisors they probably your crazier.
Then -- Obama's he's also and Charlie the Wall Street candidate even more than Obama so he'll be taking care of Wall Street and the the -- Business interest at the expense of the regular Q2 to lose initial argument are -- Americans wedded to big government.
Stated differently as big government -- the poor and the middle class and the rich.
So that as to talk to the -- -- being bribed with their own money and we like it.
Absolutely I mean that's what they community grants -- for especially around election time and I think one of the biggest obstacles we have judge is that people believed that all of this is freedom they've been taught that this is what a free societies all about.
As people discover that this is a -- it's a Weizman told us since childhood.
They're start to realize.
No this is not what a free society Soledad this is not what the framers had in mind.
I want a free society and when that happened you got a lot of people that are nervous that have a vested interest in this welfare warfare state.
Will well should Ron Paul around as a third party candidate if he's not the Republican nominee or should someone run.
As a third party candidate if Mitt Romney is the Republican nominee someone who would embraced that the values of sound money and and a government that stays within the confines -- solution -- tremendous because the two parties is -- -- isn't just.
Wings of the same bird of prey.
They're not they're they're not fundamentally different submitted their interest groups of seven different.
So yeah third party somebody could get on the ballot and and that's they've set up the ballot structure of all the states to make it.
Almost impossible so you need somebody who's got either can mobilize the young people to get them on the valid or is got the money themselves to do it.
But yeah would be wonderful to have a third -- fourth fifth sixth.
The more the merrier because these two parties are just in cahoots against us and duopoly you are -- To make this argument before students at Columbia University tonight at ten years ago you did.
The asking the put your head in your hands but you are likely to have a large group of libertarians.
Even -- -- college campus especially out of college campus.
Even on an Ivy League campus even in New York City tonight.
Absolutely and we're talking about things -- -- -- -- liberals.
Some liberals are invested in conservative civil liberties the war on terrorism the constitution.
We've got Bruce Fein a conservative Glenn Greenwald a liberal I'll be presenting the libertarian perspective.
Where we've come together to talk to people in the campus -- What brings this together is civil liberties let's defend at least those civil liberties we can argue about the other things but let's get together on this -- Lou Rockwell Jacob Warren burger it's a pleasure guys thank you for joining us is -- --
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