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There's more of Greenpeace co-founder and author of confessions of a Greenpeace drop out of fly with us from Canada Patrick.
First -- your take on the death this Keystone Pipeline.
It's not dead the oil's gonna get there one way or another and I have a feeling that TransCanada will go back and re -- the pipeline.
In order to avoid some of the more contentious.
Areas deal glow -- -- for in particular.
And it will be put back on the table again in six months from now what -- I have a feeling that.
Patrick they already -- every debt that they would back and they rerouted that name both sides by the Nebraska.
Republicans and Democrats looked at the new routing and said okay that's good.
We like it now so felt like this have bipartisan support it creates a lot of jobs lessen our dependence on on Middle -- oil at a almost everything that we have on a checklist of what we would prefer in this country and yet it's still being rejected.
Now the president's decision is purely political as you have said earlier protecting his left flank and the environmental extremist side.
The oil has to get to Texas it's needed there.
It's it's -- -- happen but it's unfortunately being blocked now for political reasons.
Well -- -- we have seen -- Patrick go over the last several years but even more so in the last few months China has an insatiable appetite for crude oil fossil fuels they -- all they did that make the money it's all boils tar sands you know how high oil have to be the make that profitable.
What about the notion that perhaps candidate that says listen.
We thought we had an ally in America apparently we don't listen sell it to the highest bidder which you obviously would be China.
Well that's of the plan there is a plan to build a pipeline.
From the oil sands in Alberta to the coast on the Pacific either a kid in that.
Or -- Vancouver but there's a huge amount.
Money pouring in from American groups to stop that from happening.
Largely from at the same people that have stopped the keystone.
Pipeline there is of course a campaign to shut down the oil sands which is completely ridiculous they call it dirty oil.
As if there's some other kind of oil that's clean when in fact you know Canada has the best environmental laws the best labor laws the best human rights.
And as a friend of the United States and it would reduce reduce dependence on oil from the Middle East Nigeria -- really -- like -- had a good.
Candidates that sell sold more oil to the US you know what.
Patrick I mean the environment obviously as your expertise what do you think is the environmental impact of this project -- -- that was obviously -- knock against it when you thank.
It's a pipeline.
I mean that that's for one thing that's the best way to get oil from where its produced to where it is needed.
There there have been great improvements in pipeline technology.
They they bury them.
Underground many feet deep in order to make sure they're not disturbed.
There are accidents with pipelines like there are with trucks and trains and planes and everything else that's moving.
But the fact of the matter is is you need to get the oil to where it is going to be used their 250.
Million vehicles in the United States.
That need to start every morning and until somebody -- they didn't invents a battery that doesn't cost 101000 dollars.
And maybe we'll go a little more than sixty miles on a charge there's not going to be -- -- move to electric vehicles I hope that happens I think it would be a good thing.
If we could charge our electric vehicles with clean electricity right but until we and until we build more nuclear plants.
How to get more clean electricity.
Invited I'd like you have that -- Patrick I'm really glad you brought that up because I wanted to stay with us southern company actually right now eagle they're waiting.
The -- by regulators to approve construction of a nuclear power plant in Georgia.
Now this will be the first license to build a nuclear plant 25 years retention -- live only its -- Georgia with the Fox Business exclusive rich.
Hey good morning Charles and you know they could get this any day now this approval and -- now they're hoping to at the very least they're getting ready to do this site right now this is where the first.
Two new nuclear reactors in this country will very likely be built.
In about thirty years fourteen billion dollar project there's eight point three.
Billion dollar federal loan guarantee that brings the question -- -- federal loan guarantees especially for energy.
A lot of folks now are thinking silver engine they say the -- taxpayers shouldn't be.
Putting up the risk eight point three billion dollars to help build something like this something this capital intensive however folks at southern company level largest stake in all of this they say that they are.
Not like -- they have fifty billion dollars in assets backing this up.
And that debt even though it's very capital intensive upfront fourteen billion dollars for the projected costs on all this that once you get this thing built.
Doesn't cost all that much to run you don't exactly have to get coal or natural gas like that.
These things -- when she will what you acquire the fuel it's not as expensive as it is some of the other types of energy to run.
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-- I know that you happen to be a very very staunch supporter of nuclear power.
This out to be good news but around the world.
Everyone's retreating -- is that's been up to three trillion dollars to get out of nuclear power.
What's at stake here that everyone's making.
It's not everyone is only a few countries that have rejected nuclear after Fukushima.
Vietnam for example in Malaysia Indonesia the Middle East countries are all moving forward on their nuclear programs between China India and Russia they're gonna build.
A hundred to 200 nuclear power plants in the next fifty years so this this nuclear Renaissance is real and now you see.
The beginning of the United States the big lie is though that Germany said when it.
Decided to cancel its nuclear plants that it was gonna replace them with wind and solar and Green -- has participated in this deception as -- have a victory.
That makes it look like because they make most their money out -- Germany the fact is Germany is already building.
Ten nuclear power plants worth of new fossil fuel.
Energy and will build another thirteen nuclear plants worth a fossil fuel energy because you cannot replace nuclear plants.
With wind and solar and speaking of -- -- wind and solar which is small expensive and doesn't work most of the time and we need to get back to the basic -- Are you -- -- an -- I I agree with you I think this is the greatest.
Heist in history the redistribution of money.
From -- taxpayers around the world two these special interests groups.
Under the guise of alternative energy -- -- -- we appreciate your input as usual thanks -- -- -- year old son.
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