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My next guest says calls for the attorney general's resignation -- Ludacris says he puts it saying President Obama should be doing more to defend his attorney general.
Joining me now is -- -- former special counsel to President Bill Clinton -- good to have you with us.
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Congressman three senators two governors.
You think that's Ludacris.
Yet -- every one of them Republican -- -- -- single Democrat in that this little and if there isn't you have to judge the partisanship.
That point of view but.
I would respect every one of those individuals if they said.
During the Bush Administration that attorney general Gonzales should resign -- -- caramel -- -- paid he should resign because.
The gun running operations almost identical to what it went -- our bills and fears and that.
I didn't hear returned operation wide receiver there is and it and what you and I and the previous.
What -- -- a very clear her a couple of major distinctions which are well aware.
One is not a single person died in operation wide receiver second.
Maintained absolute vigilance over those weapons as they were moved into Mexico.
Third actually no debt.
Neither know neither in the United States nor Mexico did anyone dot.
I would that was the first point the second yeah exactly not correct okay let me let me make at the fourth point 200 no one -- I voted and it clearly that's a tragedy and -- Calder has said tells -- graduated it's a tragedy.
200 Mexican citizens die.
Let -- US order really to die.
Hey Lou you are different in China and the US -- question and let somebody answer well I -- -- also similar to Sean Hannity and that I expect an answer.
I'm trying to and I won't say that I will defer till you do.
-- the second point you made is simply not factual and is not correct.
The ATF has admitted that the earlier programs under Republican attorneys generals didn't lose track of guns.
And I -- certainly agree that.
The tragedy of somebody dying under this administration.
Is far more serious.
But the problem of tracking these guns in the ATF that went rogue happened under both administrations and Eric Holder.
Ordered an independent investigation.
Who is inspector general which was not the case so it's not a resignation offense he agrees this is a horrible.
Egregious mistake but.
He amputation to him that he was aware of that but it is simply false.
Our -- -- so you do you're saying that it's false that he was aware.
Of this that he certainly not aware of the guns walking across the border not being monitored and if everyone doesn't understand -- why has he not.
Respectfully openly straightforward like.
His personal email it's his attorney general as well as his attorney general -- email records.
During the the contemporaneous moments that there was consultation with is immediate.
Deputy and that is Lanny brewer but they had to -- division.
Who's already acknowledged that and is documented as having consulted on the letter that was sent.
Senator Chuck Grassley with and with absolute falsehoods -- which had to be retracted two weeks ago.
After may -- months.
Again Lou I mean you're gonna try the case probably -- go back our.
You're looking at -- facts that you're standing political arguments no I'm not Republican -- -- wonder -- this this is not Republican or Democrat.
The fact of the battery is those emails revealed that Lanny brewer was consulted on the on the construction of the letter to senator Chuck Grassley.
At a time when he had and in April of 2010.
-- -- where -- operation fast and furious -- And Lanny brewer has said that there was no intentional misrepresentations.
In that letter.
And there is no evidence that the emails that you're referring to exist or have not been turned over and that can't -- turning over that's what we know what.
Those they were among the 14100.
Doll you just starting this gives me.
That the are going you're not Sean Hannity remember.
Pages of emails were turned over to the committee.
Two weeks ago and within those 14100 emails was that documentation.
Of what I just -- I thought you said that they were not turned over that there was stuff we withheld so I.