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This become an annual affair a war on Christmas Rhode Island governor.
Lincoln Chafee calling the old state house Christmas tree in Rhode Island -- holiday tree.
Just of verbal assault the latest on religion in the country in the view of many a country based of course on the freedom of religion.
Joining me -- tonight's dobbs form Tony Perkins president of family research council rabbi Brad -- real president of the national jury center for -- learning and leadership.
And father Edward back religion contributor for ABC news host of the Sunday mass on the ABC family channel thank you all for being here but.
Let me start father I mean if this does come up that this season.
Not during Easter not pass over what it's it's always Christmas and you got to ideas to.
Why that occurred.
Probably because that so ubiquitous that seems and everybody's face certain light February decorations everywhere you can turn around without seeing -- -- I think -- -- people's consciousness because they're being bombarded by it.
I think however that.
The problem is it's not really religious symbolism most for the most part that we're seeing its secular Christmas embolism which is why I don't think the argument holds its about money it's it's an economy with the so -- telling -- Tiffany's -- everywhere.
Why this should be it alright Tony.
Tony Perkins well I I do and I I think.
Yeah I -- I think really what this is this is not day an assault on Santa Claus it's -- attack on Christmas trees I think.
At the -- this is an extension of the that they that the war against their religions and religious freedom in particular christianity in this country that's been waged by the secular elite four years.
They're running into some very stiff resistance as they've been pushing forward -- I'd have to say I think.
The tighter in this case the yield tide is turning to help it.
-- well I think it is turning and it should turn I think we've had three phases phase one was the presumed dominance of one tradition generally christianity.
Phase two was well that's not sensitive to other people so let's flatten all distinction and tell people the only way to be inclusive and respectful is to hide who they are.
I think what people are beginning to realize is the real freedom of religion is not about flattening distinctions.
Is not about hiding who you are you should always make room for others but never at the cost of celebrating -- -- most believe.
And doesn't seem that we do make room I'm -- walk into your lobby today -- Fox News and the menorah is one of the biggest ever been -- we don't recall the holidays Kendall -- -- cannot practice public holiday I wanna ask kidding by the -- just didn't -- before the -- sort of doesn't throw people are free -- -- what the expressed a religious.
Feelings Charlotte experience I mean it's not like it's just Christians at this time if you know I don't think it is at all but we've been remarkably good job the next for some of the push back is -- -- people -- you know -- -- I have to hide -- rely our current markets and you don't.
Why an ally attorney first and then I'd like each of you you address this one or commercial interest then.
As rabbi Herschel -- -- camping down.
On -- religion if you will referring to holidays -- Christmas our our our Honecker or whatever it may be but they.
Or stripping the holiday.
To paraphrase one of my favorite religious foster's.
-- then what's the holiday if this is a holiday.
Well again I think that's that's turning because the resistance has grown pretty stiff over the last couple years of course what we do the family research council were more unrest in what the government is doing because.
You know the government is a place where we all come in the public square.
And as the rabbi said what we -- able to express -- religious freedom.
And you know you have the -- you have the a symbol for christianity whether it's -- You know the that the nativity.
The inactivity yes help me thank you should that it comes from the rabbi you're helping me rabbi with my assembles but the us why -- -- that's -- there.
It's -- -- Christian always count on my rabbi did help -- out there but you know what we're friends since this weekend now what in my staff members was in the post office.
And that -- group came menacing and some carols as they were moving through the at a community.
And the postmaster went crazy and -- -- out of the the post office saying you can't sing on federal property.
You know I think that you know uncle Sam's taking his cues from.
What we don't know what I was not -- and the Postal Service to Uncle Sam.
Both have got significant economic problems but I don't -- wish it looked either as well Oracle's over our lives.
-- no matter how hard they may try this idea that that commercially.
This holiday it's got such powerful influence on the economy it's -- biggest retail.
-- part of the year.
What is going on with those commercial interest the retailers themselves.
That Ayers if you -- Yeah I think they're making a short sighted in mistaken assumption which is that if you just talk about every one is if there one you'll sell more I think it's clear you'll sell more and do better and everything in life if you honorable people really are the fact that you celebrate Christmas -- and you can't acknowledge it's also comic or any other holiday.
In the -- it's -- you should not honor who anyone is in the particular and the -- -- participate more it's just the opposite the more room we make.
The more room we make.
But there -- something nice about this time of the year drawing everyone together and -- that we can celebrate goodwill toward one another we can celebrate the gift of peace and long from the get the and we call -- Christmas and we can call -- -- oh my -- Jessica I don't want -- to better Christmas everybody happy holidays happy to hear you think -- over -- -- the -- -- -- -- Then in -- Chanukah or -- Parity did that it if it passing that we're we're gonna have peace that -- who decides.
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