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-- -- -- -- the really special -- with us right now Jack Abramoff.
I don't even know where to Begin to -- these suits give you his background what he wrote his book capital punishment the hard -- about watching encryption.
Called America's most notorious lobbyists.
What do you think -- that moniker.
Both better than some of the other markers on -- -- had to -- stuffed them in the world hates lobbyists and then.
I don't appreciate -- -- is some sort of middle of bad process.
They're good -- obviously -- lobbyists but.
People sort of put their hate to -- lobbyists.
Misstatement of -- his lawyers for bank court case and things like that.
If you could in your own words just explain to people what happened.
Colonization Tampa they -- now it's.
I I became obvious and in 94.
1994 and built a very large lobbying practice had a lot of good clients that paid me a lot of money and I did a lot of good things for them.
And in the course of that -- started becoming more more aggressive.
And every lobbying fight is like committee political battle.
And as I've built a bigger team and we engaged in all sorts of warfare and we -- all our fights.
We started thinking that we should always -- all our fights and so we sort of went over some lines and things hurricane -- down seen any did things strong.
-- at the end sure that.
And -- -- came crashing down and so this.
I think you're cents to six years only spent 43 months is accurate solve them back lunchtime pray that yes there was to G and you worry and -- I think in.
What the hell was I do in -- it was worth it.
Now -- none of it was worth it but.
What was I doing is definitely.
The process problem is that while I was doing and I wasn't thinking -- I was thinking everything's great American -- and I was doing good things about your clients that you know we've declines paid me probably about eighty million dollars my team and -- We probably.
Provided them six billion dollars worth of benefit -- that money so we were a good investment for them.
They're good people and we are happy to win we made a lot of money my wife and I gave 80% of the money we made their charity.
And communal stuff so we thought we are doing good good good good deeds and -- really focus on the fact that it was not.
You recommend that and that it can't blame anybody because you made these mistakes -- -- but does this Washington breed this does Washington read this kind of like.
Greed I guess -- I think there's any place where you can.
Make a lot of money or a lot of power from Washington's more about power -- money.
And -- -- never powers concentrated people wanna get power.
Greed or other.
Behavior -- had nature of starts to come and play fair.
So -- so how are you -- now down there.
My high I don't -- to go down to close okay so that.
I don't have body armor but you are trying to get back into the -- not really -- I I've sort of -- after this -- to -- I sat in prison part.
And thought through the system and thought through what I did and decided that it's all wrong and has in essence is based on bribery.
And corruption in what I did -- that mean and that I didn't want to continue that in fact is the only reason for me this stick my -- out foxhole again.
Potentially get shot -- was to maybe do something good.
And what I think would be good for me to do is to reveal what goes on down there in the way that frankly most people can't because I don't know what goes on down there.
What's happening behind those closed doors and to try to do something about it and that's what -- do in the book.
Try to tell -- -- horror tales about what's actually happening in our nation's capital and then see some see something be done about.
Is that sorry is pretty that's horrible -- -- right unimaginable yes.
And so you know how -- you fix that but we're just talking about how the political system is.
It's it's almost useless because the second anyone gets in there -- their campaigning for the next election -- and that's really all.
They think about right -- in so that's where the -- -- is comes in you wanna do good -- constituents in and it just all snowballs doesn't.
In particular -- comes in -- people who are public servants.
Except gets money gratuities.
From people who want them to do something they either wanna lobbied them where they want them to get -- grant -- government program.
And in essence they're bribing to get it whatever however stressed -- -- it may not be according to American law.
Actual product because that the problem here is that 90% of all this is totally legal.
It's not there's there's -- right they draw the line in the sand in the way that they are very comfortable.
And and by the way even where that line was drawn by men somehow -- -- -- -- unfortunate.
And others into but it's a minority people who do that.
The problem isn't the minority objective -- out there who bill Jefferson's.
90000 dollars in cash in the freezer.
The problem is all the rest and the legalized corruption that's going on -- and that's what America's got to focus on.
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