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-- already former chancellor of DC public schools and found -- all of us students focused.
Nashville Tennessee -- track -- of the program always a pleasure to have you with us.
Thanks for having me back I have expressed of the year opinion strongly felt on my phone several times on this program.
That our public schools should it.
Well I'm I'm actually in favor of and workers' rights to collectively -- until organize.
But I think that it has to be tempered it has to be.
Around certain issues I think you know bargaining around paye and and benefits is one thing.
On and they should have the right to do that but you know right now -- unions I think I'm wielded tremendous amount of influence over things that.
Really shouldn't be I -- I for example.
I'm taking that as partial agreement.
The right unionized and discuss pay and benefits god that's you're in line -- in line with that but -- rules correct which are up kill.
For the education business about component like that I'd say get the unit -- a woke rules a new side.
Well that that that that the bottom line is that when -- that -- their policies that influence the quality of the education that kids are going to get.
I don't think we should have union bosses dictating those things.
Seems to me that some high profile people -- taking it and run a round the unions I'll give you a couple of examples -- talk about the FaceBook guy.
He's offering 600000.
Dollars but -- -- merit pay.
Union doesn't like back.
And in Chicago.
The map Rahm Emanuel is going round the teacher unions.
Going deliberately straight to schools offering the elementary schools bonuses if they would expand the classroom time.
Seems like some people are going -- -- the unions correct.
Well I think that the both what mayor Rahm Emanuel and Mark Zuckerberg we're both Democrats by the way.
Realizes that there isn't big disconnect between what would rank and file teachers in the classroom believe in what they want.
And what the teacher union leadership believes the -- in leadership believe that you know tenure and seniority in lockstep pair the most important things.
But that's not what a lot of classroom teachers believe they want to be recognized and rewarded for the hard work that they're doing they want to see their results valued.
If there if they have better results for kids and so I think that that a lot more people are beginning to see.
That classroom teachers have a very different point of view on things and they want to hear directly from them.
What you clashed with the teachers' union in Washington DC.
You left Washington DC.
What are you doing now.
I started a a political -- because -- organization.
Centered around education called students first.
And basically what this organization dozens it represents the interests of kids.
In the education debate particularly as it pertains to politics and you can try to look around powerful the unions are you account a fourth of the unions.
I wouldn't call it the counter first cleared -- call also balance to the and I think that unions have a right to exist in two to advocate on behalf of their members I just happen to think that we need.
-- national organized interest group that's also advocating on behalf of children.
To add some balance to the landscape fair enough Michelle rate students trust we thank you very much for joining us again always appreciated them thank you.
Thanks for having me.
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