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Concentration camps 45 years later I'm told just the threat of our military our military buildup defeated the Soviet Union.
And now our troops in the Middle East will help create islands of freedom.
No hope says historian Thaddeus Russell I have it wrong so -- ahead -- wrong.
Well as a matter of fact in general.
American military intervention has increased anti Americanism and hard and repressive regimes on the other hand.
American popular culture what was often -- the worst of our culture.
In many cases has actually done more for liberation and for our national security than anything in the 82 airborne to do part what this talk about the Soviet Union -- my understanding it was our Reagan's military build up he spent so much competing they couldn't.
Do it they collapsed pleasant matter -- -- it -- from within it didn't collapse from without there was never an invasion there was no military conquest of the Soviet Union.
What happened in the Soviet Union and in eastern -- generally was that people simply walked away from the ideology of communism not begin.
Especially when American popular culture jazz and rock and roll began infiltrating those countries after World War II.
American soldiers brought up jazz during world during world -- to to the eastern fronts.
Soviet soldiers brought it back eastern European shall soldiers brought it and spread it across those countries and then on the streets all over the Soviet Union in the big cities and eastern in Eastern Europe.
You saw these kids on the streets were known as the steel -- in in in the Soviet Union.
In other names in east Germany.
They were kids who wore jeans they -- duck tale hairdos they listen to the red jazz later rocked and rolled it up to dance and cigarettes Holland is called it.
-- why inception in the west that is the best evidence that American popular culture subverts repressive regimes.
-- -- Stalin and his commissar were hysterical about the state kept arrest date.
They would round them up from on the streets and send them to prisons they made jazz illegal they made playing.
Jazz instruments illegal to make playing the drums and particularly sensual ways illegal because it was too sensual or what was threatening.
Because any any repressive regime depends on social order I would -- that any regime it all depends on social order to maintain its power.
And social order and sensuality.
The pleasures of the bodies are often at odds are are fundamentally at odds I would say and Stalin and is Thomas.
Excessive movements of the hips arms and looking -- was exactly what people were saying about jazz in the United States -- and thirty years earlier jazz people know this was -- in its first conceptions in the 1920s and thirties.
Was attacked roundly as primitive jungle music that was bringing down American -- Stalin and his connoisseurs across the Eastern Europe across eastern -- at exactly the same things for the same words later on and then rock and roll -- And I was even more threatening it became even more popular than -- there were hundreds of thousands possibly millions of rock fans across Eastern Europe by the 1980s Disco and rock.
In the 1980s were enormously popular.
Throughout the Communist world that they felt they had to relax the rules because they were losing by the eighties is simply too late go once Gorbachev comes into power instance -- -- sees that if -- continues to try to repress this energy this desire for freedom and pleasure.
He would lose so we let it go western -- came in and it took off from there.
And they let these -- -- it was surprising.
Bruce Springsteen went to east Germany and drew -- huge crowd we have a clip of him singing.
Born in the USA.
Germany and this is pretty.
Remarkable because so many people were there and they're singing along to port in the USA they weren't -- -- -- in the US that's right.
That's right this is great evidence of -- enormous popularity.
This signal the end of the Communist.
All right I can see how the music had a big effect but I would think a much bigger effect -- just be.
Rock consumerism having choice they wanted the stuff that we have -- phones bikes cars I actually was in the Soviet Union in 1986 and when I walked in the Red Square in Moscow.
I was immediately swarmed by kids by -- and and young adults who wanted to buy my genes in this at this haven't any American should have been in the Soviet Union.
They were desperate for any price only ninety -- in Red Square area and I got a Soviet soldier's uniform in exchange for it.
But -- that is say is what brought the wall down not.
Now our guns if you look at the revolutions that began in 1989 culminated in 1991.
You see people over decades walking away from the ideology and that and you see it in internal documents that we found.
In the Communist regimes they were saying this to themselves if we keep if we.
If we continue to allow western influence popular culture in our people will want to leave.
And it just reminds me of of this Wendy's commercial that ran in the nineteen.
Eighties let's let's take a look at.
Yeah we need you.
Having no choice is no fun.
That's why when.
Every hamburgers and dress is saying you get your choice of fresh toppings people want choices.
They want choices they want freedom they want the freedom to indulge in pleasure and in the desires.
Thank you -- Russell.
You should know his book a renegade history is filled with histories untold stories may.
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