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But we continue our conversation with -- -- Ron Paul we all we all know it concerns about our liberties but how does that tie in with national security.
You know the Ben Franklin quote which roughly says if you give up.
Liberty for security deserve neither shall what is our nation's role whether it is in Afghanistan or the TSA body searches at your local airport.
Let's dive into these issues TSA and national security with congressman Ron Paul.
You've spoken out on this many times is the business about security at our airports and travel to TSA.
I do this summer -- all the time congressman people say but I wanna know that everybody on the plane with me you know is.
A good person and at the same time they don't wanna be groped by the TSA so.
Are are we not thinking right as a TSA not using them.
The proper approach I know you're you're not happy about it.
Out of -- but the philosophy of who's supposed to assure us that people next to us are saying that's wrong depend on the bureaucrats.
To do it.
I mean these aren't the most reputable people sometimes they themselves get in the trouble.
And for TSA agents to do things to us at airports that you and I can't do would be arrested if we did that's and the -- people -- this.
I mean it is astounding.
But the basic principle is who's responsible for safety and private property.
The federal government was very much involved before 9/11 did nothing that office matter fact all the rules encouraged it.
There were out of that allowed to be guns on the airplane and you -- a lot to oppose hijackers.
And it was a mess so we set the stage for an eleven.
But today we have a bunch of bureaucrats pretending that they can replace sound judgment by.
By owners so the responsibility should be on airlines just as they are the chemical plants and and they drivers these armored trucks haul around money.
It's the ownership that should do best in -- responsibility should be on the airlines.
And they would they would do a much better job because.
I don't believe for a minute the TSA makes us safer and they consume.
A lot of money and it's a false solution that if you give up your freedoms that you're gonna be safer we give up our freedoms that we aren't safe.
So let -- but it but it but if I have a choice of airline -- -- airline be -- they're gonna provide this security.
You're saying that I'm their customer I'm not a criminals are the gonna -- like a customer but the same time they're gonna do a good job of making sure that I'm not hearing something wrong.
It's the government and I don't want to yield to and have -- take a picture of my eyeball might take care of my fingerprints and everything else.
But in my with -- technology.
The airlines can identify the passenger frequent flyer anyway could be treated differently pilot should be treated differently they should go through the same lines.
It isn't that different halt -- this.
Effort to assume that the government is to be there in a year to be submissive.
And that's the way everything you look at whether it's an economic policy your social policy be submissive.
Edge you know a medical care be submissive everybody's -- nobody's a lot opt out so submissive this is what -- after.
But there's there's a good argument private sources can protect this better.
Then the government because side so far the government hasn't done a very good job.
Protecting -- at all.
It last question about -- just national security I know you've been outspoken about the Iraq War the Afghanistan war.
How do you propose.
Keeping -- safe without being isolationist.
If you don't want our troops and all these different hot -- of.
The -- around the world.
Now I don't I never use the word isolation and I use non intervention in -- bring the troops now.
In don't inside those individuals.
Who would like to be left alone they joined the towel on or the al-Qaeda.
Because they resent us bombing them killing civilians them.
Occupying the aliens and building medic military bases on their land that's -- incites people to want to do us harm.
So I would say everything we do over there is nothing more than endangering us even more.
This was very clear you know after 9/11 with the 9/11 commission.
One of the major things it really -- bin Laden was -- military bases in Saudi Arabia.
And I government recognizes said it was true and I took it down.
But we've built many many more since -- so not being there.
Doesn't mean you're an isolationist I believe in free trade and maximum out of travel and dealing with people I'm -- I'm much happier with.
Way we work with China and then now -- when I was in high school when we were tightening killing each other.
I like -- much better with Vietnam when we work with -- trade and they -- -- capitalistic than when I was in the air force for.
I -- years in the sixties and we walked away we lost since the war.
-- we cannot we win a lot more wins peaceful negotiation and we do with these new wars that are I'm declared nobody knows.
Who's who's the real enemy when the war is over and now we're involved in about five problem right now and we're flat out broke so actually on winning this argument.
Not so much there there agree with an idea philosophy of foreign policy but everybody knows we're flat out broken we ought to change our ways.
All right for supporters they want to reach you they wanna contact you they want to -- your positions which your website.
Ron Paul 2012 dot com -- to those involved -- -- congressman Ron Paul always good to see things -- much been on show.
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